Are all Autists unemployed?

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Just because this works for you doesn't mean it will for everyone. Please stop using your life experiences to apply to every person. It doesn't help anyone and does no good. You are being very unfair. All people are different. "Love the job you're in" or "Love the one you're with" does not help when the job or relationship destroy a person's health and mind.

There's something quaint about you supporting conservative political views when typically it's conservative parties that oppose increasing mandates for accommodation, oppose spending to support those with disabilities, support giving employers the right to terminate without cause, etc.

It's hard to effectively argue for the accommodations one needs when you can be canned for just asking and won't have access to any sort of social safety net because it was gutted to give rich people another tax cut. Life is unfair, but supporting politicians who strive to make things more unfair and then complaining about how you're not adequately accommodated seems like you've contributed to the situation you deem unfair by supporting people who were open about their intention to work against your interests.

I'm not here to debate politics, but there are many conservative views that I do support. Since no political party aligns perfectly with most people's beliefs you have to pick one that fits you best, in my case Republican. That's just how it is. And I think there should be a safety net but only for those who try to work and support themselves not the leeches.
Also to me, disability rights is a legal issue not a political one.

It's inherently both whether or not you'd like to see if that way.

It's hypocritical to support political movements that are open about their intention to harm programs that you depend on while also saying they need to be expanded or strengthened. You can't contribute to the problem while also complaining about how it hurts you personally. Dismissing other people who might differently disadvantaged from yourself as leeches while insisting that obviously your needs are legitimate really isn't going to inspire empathy or sympathy. If you don't know the details of another's situation, who are you to call them a leech and why shouldn't they just regard you as one? One could easily make the case that the accommodations that you're demanding aren't legitimate and just amount to excuse making, just like you'd trot that out to dismiss others as leeches.

If I'm constantly punching myself in the face I'd sound silly complaining about how my face and hand always hurt. Guess what, those who advocate for weakening or being much stricter with how social assistance is provided sound silly when they complain that the ideals they advocate for have left them without any or adequate support.

In answer to this question, I’d have to say a definitive “No”! BUT, employment is so very hard won! By that I mean, we can have worked ourselves to the bone, have invested ourselves in our professions and given our heart & souls, and still have to contend with issues like “burnout” in the extreme, even though we may love our chosen fields. Sooner or late, no matter how much we might love what we choose to do, it seems to catch up with us. Correct me if you disagree please, but I am someone who has a passion for working with those on the spectrum, am someone on the spectrum, but still have to face it, that if I don’t take breaks, my health suffers very badly.

Sorry if my beliefs bother you, but I have a right to my beliefs just as you have a right to yours. You may say I am hypocritical, but I'm not going to support a political party when I agree with maybe 5 percent of their beliefs and disagree with the other 95 percent. I'd rather support the one I agree with 95 percent of the time. Liberals seem to care more about the illegals than the disabled anyway. And just to prove my point, some of the worst discrimination against me based on my disability has been perpetrated by those calling themselves liberals. And, sorry to say it, some people really are leeches. There are people who exaggerate and lie to cheat others. Others simply don't try because they are used to getting handouts. And as I work and try to find a job to support myself fully, I feel I am fully justified. Believe what you want about me or anything else, but don't try to change my mind. You will fail. You have your beliefs, I have mine. I love this site because it is supportive and is supposed to be accepting. If you can't accept people who see things differently, maybe you should stick to liberal only chat sites.

You're entitled to believe whatever you'd like to believe and support whatever you believe.

And I'm entitled to point out that what you support is hostile to your interests and that if you'd like to advance your interests you should probably shouldn't support causes hostile to those interests.

And I'm entitled to point out that you can't out-of-hand dismiss other people as leeches without the slightest consideration of their situation and an utter lack of empathy and then turn around and insist that you need accommodation and empathy. If you refuse to give consideration to other's situations before dismissing them as leeches why would anyone feel inclined to give your situation consideration?

You're arguing with Fnord that his understanding of the extent that accommodation is needed isn't going nearly far enough and that actually far more accommodation is needed. Clearly you can't care too much about that issue if you support people who would interpret things even more strictly than Fnord's understanding and make that interpretation the law of the land.

If you want a just society with empathy for those who might be disadvantaged in various ways, you can't also support a political ideology that's hostile to the notion of helping those who might require it. It's a glaring, obvious hypocrisy.

If all you want is 'i get taken care of because i'm special but everyone else can F.O.A.D.' then you don't have a serious enough perspective to bother engaging with.

Nope. I haven't been unemployed since the economic crash of 2008... oh wait-.... XD

Let me ask you this. Are my potential "co-workers" to b***h, moan and complain if I did not take a job that someone else could handle a whole better if I go on welfare and/or disability because "I" "stayed" home? And, is the society we live in including these "co-workers", my family and everyone else willing provide "me" a home, food, clothing and other essentials without complaint and calling "me" a welfare cheat, leech, and fraud?

Are you Fnord willing to stand and defend those who would call "me" a welfare cheat, leech, and fraud if I chose to "stay at home?" And, are you willing to get it to where society and the culture is willing to have me "stay home" with no complaint or problem?

When I mean "me" and "I" I mean those in the more general sense as any person who follows your advice "to stay home."

Nut up or Shut up!

What would be so hard to provide a suitable work environment with less unpleasant stimuli for autistics? It's just a matter of the abrasive, insensitive corporate climate softening up a little. There is much talent in the autistic community and humanity could gain from increasing its rapidly diminishing capacity for empathy and flexibility.

Just because this does NOT work for you doesn't mean it won't for anyone else.You first."That's not Fair" is the battle-cry of those who either can't or won't compete in a well-established and fully-functional system.Then how about, "If you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen" or "If you can't run with the big dogs, then stay under the porch" -- do either of those work better for you?

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Lying has to have intent. If I interpret your message wrong and believed my interpretation to be true then it's not a lie.

But, that's how I interpret your message. Basically, we're expected to kiss these employers asses with no questions asked. We're expected to worship them as gods, give our bloods, our lives and our very souls to them. We can expect nothing when it comes to them.

That's what I read from your messages and beliefs over the years when it comes to employment.

There's no lie. I didn't intentionally misrepresent anything you said.

Lie has to have intent. There is no intent.

So, but I do have to wonder since I told you this and explained this to you and you insist that I'm lying then and are calling me a liar when I didn't lie then maybe you personally attacked me which goes against the rules of wrongplanet.

I'm going to assume you have not and it's all a big misunderstanding.

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Ahh the world is changing all around us but the Cube/Fnord dynamic is a constant, as is the liberal/conservative relationship, there is something comforting in familiarity

On topic, I bounce between over-employed to unemployed to under-employed. Currently the latter.

lol

I understand the feeling!

Like I said, him and I don't see eye to eye on most things.

But, I don't hate or dislike the guy. And, even though he is my anima(right term?) doesn't mean I don't get some insight into what he says.

It's all good!

If it all works out with this whole coronavirus in all I'm going to work in China. I will have to play the game sorta speak if I want to get what I want in the end. So, he is right in certain aspects.

Then use stronger language, or I will be the only one who notices.This is actually a three-way "squabble".He LIED, and then tried to justify his lie with some clumsy verbal back-peddling.No.  I am presenting MY attitude toward EVERYBODY who has a job or wants a job; specifically, only reasonable accommodations can be made, and after that it is up to the employee to adapt to the corporate culture.  This applies to EVERYONE, whether a spoiled little rich girl, a down-trodden aspie, or some poor soul off the street who just wants to feed his family. Employers can only do so much. The rest is up to the employee.

I must say that unless someone has experienced a meltdown or burnout at work, or overstimulation/ hyper sensitivity as some of WP's members have, despite being extremely talented and competent at their jobs, they cannot judge those who have. It seems to be the norm rather than the exception to experience the difficulties cube is describing. A person on the spectrum who can function perfectly at work at all times and in all circumstances is blessed. The aspies I know don't function in the same way as NT's in the workplace and have many difficulties. The lucky ones have an empathetic, understanding employer.