Obama and autism

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Do you want to REALLY see what Barack is planning for Autism?

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlu ... Change.pdf

THAT'S RIGHT FOLKS! *******NOTHING******* is said about Autism or PDD! NOW, as for "pro-choice"????



I bolded part myself. It COULD be ominous. Granted, on it's face, it may be nothing. Still, he DOES speak of "change", so one wonders.

I read through his plan! It is HYPOCRITICAL, pledging cuts that obama said he would get RID of, declaring $50,000 effectively the top of the middle class deserving real consideration, and declaring openness in the future when he hasn't done it YET! It is SILLY speaking of public oversight that isn't possible, and is dangerous and meaningless. and NAIVE!

BTW Please realize this is from OBAMA'S site and is HIS plan.

Refreshing to see another strong thinker here..

To interject some facts into the discussion:

When Obama talks about "prevention" in the context of unintended pregnancies, he means contraception and possibly sex ed. Seriously, what else do you think he might mean? Hey, if you really want to reduce abortions, you should support making contraception more widely available.

If anyone really wants to learn about Obama's ideas about autism, and disability in general, please visit the disability section of his website rather than rely on the comments here, many of which are rather uninformed. I'm an Obama supporter and actually feel kind of iffy on some of it, but I have no doubt that the Supreme Court justices he appoints will be more concerned about upholding the ADA than those McCain would. The justices which McCain likes have consistently limited the scope of the ADA further than it should be.

Genetic research on autism will continue no matter who wins, and abortion is most likely to remain legal in most states even if McCain wins. Certainly abortion will probably be legal in cases of Down's Syndrome, because even many "pro-life"* people are okay with aborting fetuses who test positive for DS. For me, the most pragmatic disability related concerns relate to accommodations and discrimination, etc., and this is where the issue of judges is important. McCain also opposes the Community Choice Act, which would help more disabled people to get out of institutions.

*I put "pro-life" in quotes because many such people don't seem to care much about the many Americans without health insurance, or the thousands of Iraqis who have been killed by American military action, for instance.

Referring to that monument in Georgia lol

You might want to find some better supporting evidence. Poorly made Youtube videos don't do well for facts. :p

google: barak obama autism

then look for:BARACK OBAMA: SUPPORTING AMERICANS WITH AUTISM SPECTRUM
DISORDERS

ACTUALLY, I thought they meant what they always specified, and what Roe v. Wade was about. ABORTIONS! After all, if he didn't, WHY did he mention Roe V. Wade!?!?!? "contraception" is NOT 100%! Some women take those hormones to HELP! And condoms tear, etc...



So you don't think Obama can properly write about his OWN plan!?!?!? Then why should you expect congress to understand it?



The supreme court justices are NOT supposed to CREATE laws!



I doubt it. They will likely go more elsewhere.



From what I understand, Mrs. Palin HAS a DS child! Still, it isn't about OUTLAWING abortion. That is GARBAGE the liberals would have you believe. It is more about not further eroding things.



Well, many of the Iraqis don't seem to care! As for health insurance? SORRY! They can't make a robot do a lot of it! The FDA and MDA have outlawed most that computers CAN do, and the increased population and limited resources has driven prices SKY HIGH! I recently lowered costs, so my total yearly costs, AFTER insurance, are about $3000 so far! Until a few years ago, BEFORE insurance they were $0(because I was healthy, and never even got exams because I was WORKING)! And my current job is complicated because I have to do wierd work to allow a medical service provider to cover NON IDENTIFIED patients! They actually LOSE MONEY on most patients, INCLUDING ones paid for by medicare! But *I* have to pay. That certainly doesn't seem fair(I pay MORE taxes, work HARDER, and get LESS consideration). I would LOVE for citizens to have free healthcare, but it seems the liberal law makers have made it economically IMPOSSIBLE!

The quote you yourself brought up mentioned contraception specifically. He was talking about both. They are rather related subjects, you know. No, I'm not saying that birth control is 100%. I don't know what you mean about women taking hormones to help. Which hormones, specifically? Many women take hormonal birth control to prevent pregnancy, and many take it for medical issues; some for both. Religious conservatives have consistently tried to limit access to these medications for any reason, though.

[quoteSo you don't think Obama can properly write about his OWN plan!?!?!? Then why should you expect congress to understand it?[/quote]

Uh, what? I was saying that people on this board don't seem to be interpreting Obama's words with any degree of precision. I have no idea about how Congress will or won't interpret any of it. It's a fact that most Congresspeople don't read the entire bills they vote on, anyway. Still, most professional politicians probably do have a better grasp on reading about public policy than most of the commentators here, myself included. I also said that I don't agree with all of what Obama says. Which is understandable, since the only person I agree with on everything is me.



The supreme court justices are NOT supposed to CREATE laws![/quote]

I'm not talking about creating laws; I'm talking about upholding laws which are already on the books. The ADA is a piece of legislation which has been chipped away by courts.

It's nice to know that people in Iraq don't in fact care about the fact that many of their friends and family members have been violentally killed. You seem to have quite the connection with the 2.75 million people who live in Iraq.

what facts?.. there are no facts anymore.. facts are perspective and personal experience.. which is why Witnesses count as credible evidence in a courtroom, so maybe it should count as credible evidence here aswell, considering your credible sources are probably Fox news.

Frankly, te fact that they are poorly made LENDS credibility! Chuck Schumer OBVIOUSLY said that! I know his VOICE, mannerisms, etc! OK, I could SEE how it could be forged. GUESS WHAT!! !! !

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ ... dt.01.html

*****PROOF*****

I only looked for THAT one, but that was probably the most unbelievable. I mean they have fought to HURT such identification.

No, it does not. That is called Affirming the Consequent, and will get you laughed out of any debate. The Youtube videos linked are no different then conspiracy theory videos such as Zeitgeist, and they rely pretty much on Anecdotal evidence and/or lies.

Fox News, CNN etc. all rely on opinion, and false information..

youtube videos are made by regular people and I would sooner trust their word than the word of ambitious News Media leaders .. what is the motive of the youtubers.. to spread lies?.. there is no end goal in it accept to spread truth to like minded people.. the real news makes me feel stupid just watching it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trWcqxrQgcc

there, Fox news whistleblowers tell it how it is. Dont be scared because it's youtube, really.. it wont hurt you.

That is irrelevant. It does not help your claim, and does not make Youtube a source of information. I am also given the impression you do not understand the difference between facts (which would and do stay the same regardless of news source) and opinons.

hmm, well in the world we live in now, facts are hard to come by.. what facts can you give me?.. most facts are opinion. Experts have very few facts and many theories..

youtube to me is a place where people like me go to view the world through a lense, and come up with your own interpretation of this information you gather.. video footage is fact.. while there is much garbage on there no doubt, there is also stuff on there more credible than any news channel. And there is also a lot of opinion on youtube, but im okay with that, i dont believe everything i hear..
However when we go into the world of opinion, who's opinion matters more to me?.. like minded individuals, not ambitious world leaders or leaders of any kind..
So i give no facts, because im no false expert.. but i believe what i say just as strongly as a christian believes in God... you cant prove me wrong, and if you can, go ahead.

It's not up to me to give you the facts. You made the claim, therefore, find me some hard facts to back it up. Something more credible then Youtube videos.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" after all. And if you honestly believe facts are hard to come by in this day and age, then you're not looking hard enough.

Related to the paragraph and Obama's connections to the Weatherman, you could try doing a google search just to find out why that video is wrong.

Well, I meant to follow it up to talk about it pulling TV video, etc... It isn't like it was made to be this type of video. Such video is OFTEN not the best. The chuck schumer thing, obama not even FEIGNING respect for the flag, is FACT! That isn't even open to debate. It would be interesting to see how much else is fact. As for the respect for the flag, that either shows disrespect, failure to handle the social niceties DESPITE whatever you think, or that he is ignorant of the basic US customs, etc... I see NO other possibility, and ALL of those are things a president of the US shouldn't have. It ALSO makes one wonder a lot. OK, I ADMIT it! I see the flag as trying to present this nation as one that is basically DEAD! I had respect for the concept, but none for the flag. I still FEIGN it though! It is like the fact that I NEVER said the pledge of allegiance with ANY belief in God, so I mouthed the words "Under God". But HEY, my heart was in the right place. I didn't show any disrespect, etc... And don't think for a second that he is simply being honest. He is NOT Christian! The CULT goes against so many things in Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_liberation_theology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hal_Cone

The Chuck schumer thing at the VERY least shows how such a minor thing can be blown up, the hypocrisy, etc.... And, if democrats believed it, it COULD get rid of a lot of votes for the party.