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07 Dec 2008, 5:24 am

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You're not familiar with Tinker Bell? She's from Peter Pan, and Disney.


Yes, I am familiar with Tinker Bell, but only in relation to Peter Pan; I don´t remember any background information abut her being a "tinkerer" (I might have just forgotten that, it´s been a long time). I never saw the Tinker Bell movie, either. I didn´t think of her before as being an Aspie; however, that makes sense, actually. But, again, she is a mythical character, rather than a "human" character. As I mentioned, I have pretty consistently related more to female mythical characters throughout my life....I wonder if that is the reason why? Is this true for other women on the spectrum- do you relate more to mythical characters: (or even to male human characters with AS traits)- as I seem to? When I watch movies about those NT stereotypes, those female characters that I´m "supposed" to want to emulate, I find I don´t want to be like them at all! So, all my life, I´ve had witches and faeries to relate to; they were always my role models! :)


isnt she a perv?


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07 Dec 2008, 5:26 am

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You're not familiar with Tinker Bell? She's from Peter Pan, and Disney.


Yes, I am familiar with Tinker Bell, but only in relation to Peter Pan; I don´t remember any background information abut her being a "tinkerer" (I might have just forgotten that, it´s been a long time). I never saw the Tinker Bell movie, either. I didn´t think of her before as being an Aspie; however, that makes sense, actually. But, again, she is a mythical character, rather than a "human" character. As I mentioned, I have pretty consistently related more to female mythical characters throughout my life....I wonder if that is the reason why? Is this true for other women on the spectrum- do you relate more to mythical characters: (or even to male human characters with AS traits)- as I seem to? When I watch movies about those NT stereotypes, those female characters that I´m "supposed" to want to emulate, I find I don´t want to be like them at all! So, all my life, I´ve had witches and faeries to relate to; they were always my role models! :)


It was very recently Disney decided to create a spin-off involving more about the fairies that inhabit Neverland, so it also was recent that there was a storyline explaining that Tinker Bell is a tinkerer and all of that. You really should see the movie, here's the link to it on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Tinker-Bell-Mae-W ... 572&sr=1-1



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07 Dec 2008, 10:49 am

I watched the movie "Washington Square" again, which I had posted about awhile before. It turns out it was the same movie I had seen before, and not a remake. I would say that this character (Catherine, I think her name was...God, I´m so bad with names, I just saw the movie!)- would be an example of a female Aspie, though some may relate to her more than others. I, personally, related to her a lot; particularly in her trust in people, and not understanding, or picking up the social minutia around her, to be able to see that others were up to no good. Eventually, after being betrayed by the people closest to her, there was disillusionment. I feel like I know this so well, the idealistic person who has to get used to the frailties of the human race! (I am still working on my feelings of cynicism and disillusionment, though I think it´s getting much better). What I liked so much is that she retained her Aspie qualities throughout the movie, she didn´t suddenly become "more social" or anything. There was, however, a certain dignity about her, and she became stronger somehow with age. This movie was based on a novel by Henry James; I wonder if the character in the book is written just as she is portrayed in the movie? I would be curious to find out.

It occurred to me, based on several recent threads, that there do seem to be plenty of Aspie-ish girl characters. However, what I wrote earlier seems to hold true...very few women characters! (Aside from the possibility of witches or other mythic characters). I find this fascinating, and maybe should write a paper on it. It´s as if it really is expected that the woman does become sociable, or that she ends up loving another within the framework of a relationship. I recall now that when I was a child, and reading child fiction, it was relatively easy to find role models, or people who I could relate to. Once I became a woman, that became nearly impossible. I wonder if that was why I stopped reading fiction? I became interested in movies, but again, had trouble watching all those movies in which women were portrayed so stereotypically; again, it would just drill home the message that "they´re like that" and "I´m different". Now that I know about AS, I´m watching many of those movies geared for women, that I tried to avoid before, just to learn about life.


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07 Dec 2008, 11:00 am

Morgana wrote:
I watched the movie "Washington Square" again, which I had posted about awhile before. It turns out it was the same movie I had seen before, and not a remake. I would say that this character (Catherine, I think her name was...God, I´m so bad with names, I just saw the movie!)- would be an example of a female Aspie, though some may relate to her more than others. I, personally, related to her a lot; particularly in her trust in people, and not understanding, or picking up the social minutia around her, to be able to see that others were up to no good. Eventually, after being betrayed by the people closest to her, there was disillusionment. I feel like I know this so well, the idealistic person who has to get used to the frailties of the human race! (I am still working on my feelings of cynicism and disillusionment, though I think it´s getting much better). What I liked so much is that she retained her Aspie qualities throughout the movie, she didn´t suddenly become "more social" or anything. There was, however, a certain dignity about her, and she became stronger somehow with age. This movie was based on a novel by Henry James; I wonder if the character in the book is written just as she is portrayed in the movie? I would be curious to find out.


I haven't seen the movie or read it, but I've read quite a few other novels by Henry James, and he likes to create female American characters who are very naive and trusting, and who get betrayed by Europeans. His novels tend to be comparing Americans with Europeans, and he sees America as representing innocence, and Europe as representing culture and corruption. I hadn't noticed any particularly Aspie characteristics about his characters - although they are innocent, they tend to be very subtly socially aware, and aware of all kinds of unspoken nuances. But I've read more of the later novels - maybe in his earlier novels they are more Aspie. I have wondered whether Henry James himself might have been a bit Aspie from what I've read of him. I love his novels.



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07 Dec 2008, 11:20 am

He does seem to have an obsession with disliking Europeans.



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07 Dec 2008, 11:23 am

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I watched the movie "Washington Square" again, which I had posted about awhile before. It turns out it was the same movie I had seen before, and not a remake. I would say that this character (Catherine, I think her name was...God, I´m so bad with names, I just saw the movie!)- would be an example of a female Aspie, though some may relate to her more than others. I, personally, related to her a lot; particularly in her trust in people, and not understanding, or picking up the social minutia around her, to be able to see that others were up to no good. Eventually, after being betrayed by the people closest to her, there was disillusionment. I feel like I know this so well, the idealistic person who has to get used to the frailties of the human race! (I am still working on my feelings of cynicism and disillusionment, though I think it´s getting much better). What I liked so much is that she retained her Aspie qualities throughout the movie, she didn´t suddenly become "more social" or anything. There was, however, a certain dignity about her, and she became stronger somehow with age. This movie was based on a novel by Henry James; I wonder if the character in the book is written just as she is portrayed in the movie? I would be curious to find out.


I haven't seen the movie or read it, but I've read quite a few other novels by Henry James, and he likes to create female American characters who are very naive and trusting, and who get betrayed by Europeans. His novels tend to be comparing Americans with Europeans, and he sees America as representing innocence, and Europe as representing culture and corruption. I hadn't noticed any particularly Aspie characteristics about his characters - although they are innocent, they tend to be very subtly socially aware, and aware of all kinds of unspoken nuances. But I've read more of the later novels - maybe in his earlier novels they are more Aspie. I have wondered whether Henry James himself might have been a bit Aspie from what I've read of him. I love his novels.


If you check out the movie, she does appear Aspie, in my opinion; but I have no idea what the book is like, it could be different. In her case, I think it goes beyond just naivete, for she is also awkward socially. In this particular movie, all the characters were American, also, just all were more "social" than she was. I have read a few of his other novels when I was younger, and I found them interesting, although I don´t remember specifically any characters who I would think of as having AS.


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07 Dec 2008, 11:29 am

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That one character in 'A Fish Called Wanda'

I think that there are actually at least two AS characters in that film. not just the Palin role but also Wanda's brother, who takes everything literally, doesn't know how to talk normally to anyone, is obsessed with Nietzsche, and is unable to spot sarcasm, doesn't know how to apologise, etc. And the lawyer himself has traits too.
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07 Dec 2008, 11:41 am

The part played by Julianne Moore in "The Hours".

The girl played by Allie Sheedy in "The Breakfast Club"

Brundle in "The Fly" by Cronenberg.

Symbolically, Holly Hunter's role in "The Piano"

James Spader's character in "Bad Influence" , and his brother in that film

Dumb and Dumber

Inspector Clousseau in "The Pink Panther"

Alec Guinness as "The Man in the White Suit"

Julianne Moore's role in "Safe" by Todd Haynes

Jonathan Pryce in "Brazil"

Almost the entire Addams Family, especially in the second film, " Addams Family Values".

Jim Carrey's character in "The Mask"
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07 Dec 2008, 12:29 pm

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The part played by Julianne Moore in "The Hours".

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Yes, I was also wondering about that recently! I think I have to watch that movie again, to be sure.

Don´t know about Holly Hunter´s role in "The Piano". There was so much non-verbal stuff in that film, I missed much of what was going on when I first saw it...(though now I know). There were just so many subtle non-verbal cues going on, which her character seemed to be picking up, and giving off....much better than me, watching it...so I would say no to that one, though she certainly was different.


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07 Dec 2008, 1:11 pm

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Holly Hunter's role in "The Piano".
There was so much non-verbal stuff in that film. There were just so many subtle non-verbal cues going on, which her character seemed to be picking up, and giving off....much better than me, watching it...so I would say no to that one, though she certainly was different.

What I thought though was that it matched what a fair few AS women have posted about on WP in the past, including myself, that we are able to pick up non-verbal very well, almost hyper-sensitively, whenever/so long as we don't have to relate/respond to/process verbal communication at the same time.

It rang a bell in that respect.
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07 Dec 2008, 1:38 pm

ouinon wrote:
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Holly Hunter's role in "The Piano".
There was so much non-verbal stuff in that film. There were just so many subtle non-verbal cues going on, which her character seemed to be picking up, and giving off....much better than me, watching it...so I would say no to that one, though she certainly was different.

What I thought though was that it matched what a fair few AS women have posted about on WP in the past, including myself, that we are able to pick up non-verbal very well, almost hyper-sensitively, whenever/so long as we don't have to relate/respond to/process verbal communication at the same time.

It rang a bell in that respect.
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However, her character was responding to verbal language, as well as non-verbal language; i.e., she was processing everything, just not responding verbally. As I said, the first time I saw the film I was in the dark. When it became obvious, I finally thought- "oh, they are in love...when did THAT happen?"

But, what you say does ring a small bell, for me. It might explain why the language of dance- (my field, and longest-running interest)- makes so much sense to me, both in communicating through dance, as well as watching/processing it. It was that way ever since I saw my first ballet, at age 6.


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08 Dec 2008, 5:52 pm

I'm going to say L from Deathnote, and Near was definitely on the spectrum, probably HFA.



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08 Dec 2008, 6:33 pm

ouinon wrote:
The part played by Julianne Moore in "The Hours".

The girl played by Allie Sheedy in "The Breakfast Club"

Brundle in "The Fly" by Cronenberg.

Symbolically, Holly Hunter's role in "The Piano"

James Spader's character in "Bad Influence" , and his brother in that film

Dumb and Dumber

Inspector Clousseau in "The Pink Panther"

Alec Guinness as "The Man in the White Suit"

Julianne Moore's role in "Safe" by Todd Haynes

Jonathan Pryce in "Brazil"

Almost the entire Addams Family, especially in the second film, " Addams Family Values".

Jim Carrey's character in "The Mask"
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Dumb and Dumber?
Seriously?



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09 Dec 2008, 3:38 am

I'm surprised that, despite the fact that I'm fairly certain it was never intended to be, nobody finds that Dr. Manhattan of Watchmen an allusion to an autistic personality.

Think about it.



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09 Dec 2008, 5:59 am

What about Lola from CatDog, if you aren't familiar with the character I'm speaking of here's an image:

http://catdog1st.tripod.com/pics/Lola.jpg

She really was into science, and tried to do a documentary on CatDog at one point. I think they even had a joke, where they went back to when Lola was born, and she popped out of the egg and started reading about science and I was like "That's so Aspie!"



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09 Dec 2008, 6:43 am

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Almost the entire Addams Family, especially in the second film, " Addams Family Values".


Yes definitely! I seem to remember someone posting one of the scenes from that movie here to express their aspie feelings. The one at the freaky camp where the girl (I forget her name) tries to smile. That girl is the most aspie, I'd say.

Also, someone mentioned the Joker from The Dark Knight but it sort of got buried between posts. I'd have to aggree that on some level, his thinking is very aspie-like. He feels no connection to people and perhaps is willing to kill for fun because he lacks some theory of mind. I remember a time in my childhood when I was obsessed with making booby traps to the extent that people got hurt (no seriously, I had some sense of responsibility) but all I could think of was how well the trap worked and how cool it looked. This is sort of how I imagine the Joker thinks. Very experimental, playing with peoples' reactions. I think of the Joker as "aspie gone bad". I get the sense he wasn't always so reckless, but at some point he stopped caring as he couldn't connect with anyone properly.