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09 Jun 2012, 1:53 am

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Although the under-bridge dweller is often implied, the term is generally believed to be derived from a fishing term for dragging bait through the water hoping for a bite. On the internet, a troll is one who posts intending to elicit a heated response

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)


Wow. That makes so much more sense. And the OP really is pretty silly and inflammatory.



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09 Jun 2012, 1:57 am

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Although the under-bridge dweller is often implied, the term is generally believed to be derived from a fishing term for dragging bait through the water hoping for a bite. On the internet, a troll is one who posts intending to elicit a heated response

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)


Wow. That makes so much more sense. And the OP really is pretty silly and inflammatory.


I suspect he was mostly tired and frustrated. Also, he missed the fact that many of us who are faring better then he, are either older or had early intervention.



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09 Jun 2012, 3:09 am

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Loneliness, manifested in at least two of the following four symptoms:
- No close friends; - me
- Avoids others; ; - me
- Has no interest in acquiring friends; - me
- Prefers to be single - me
(...)
Impaired non-verbal communication, manifested in at least one of the following 7 signs:
(...)
- Gestures are large and clumsy; - me
(...)

I have never seen this list used for diagnosing AS before, where did you get it?

No close friends, are not true for all Aspies. It's hard to maintain relationships, true. It's hard to get new friends, true. But "no close friends", is not true for all with AS.

No interest in acquiring friends, are not true. Many have an interest, and actually long to have a network of friends, but many times they are just too "clumsy" socially to actually make it happen. And on top of that, maintaining relationships is much like a chore, so getting new friends would be hard, but not impossible. And the interest for other people are there, even if it is not as frequent as with NTs.

Prefers to be single, well, thats not accurate at all for Aspies. For some, of course it is, like with all people preferences are different. There are many "how to make an NT + AS marriage work" books that would tell you the same.

Gestures are large and clumsy, not true for all. A research study says that only 50-80% of all Aspies are have motor skill problems, which means 20-50% don't.

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telling lies is not like faking autism. lieing is hard. faking autism would be much harder I think.

Well from my own point of view I've been on an Asperger forum and the experiences I've had from interacting with others on there was often practically no different to interacting with NTs - so whether people fake or not, many who identify as Asperger come across as very NT-like to me personally. So either my definition of what it was to have Aspergers was faulty or many people with Aspergers do a good emulation of NT. Either way, many people on forums seem very generic to me.

Writing on a forum is not the same as being in a eye-to-eye conversation. You can argue it's social to write on a forum, yes, but at the same time thats really not were Aspies have problems. The conversation problems lay within the processing ability, so instead of replying within a second in a conversation, Aspies will think of answers a minutes later, and often when the general topic of a group conversation has changed, or perhaps days later when they have repeated the conversation enough times in their mind. Writing on a forum is right up Aspies alley, no wonder wrongplanet is so popular. So you are right, your definition of what it is to have Aspergers is faulty.

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People do fake having ASD. You must be the idiot if you do not see this as well.

It irks me that people come one here and claim to have it but at the same time they have friends and significant others and jobs. The complete opposite of what aspergers actually is. Then you have your self diagnosers and people who think they have it and people who diagnose other people. The original poster is right, people here fake having it!

You are wrong, I suggest you read up on what Asperger's is.

Many have friends, many are married, many have jobs. Aspergers are not defined by not having a job, or not having a girlfriend, or not having friends.


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09 Jun 2012, 9:12 am

they are faking it as an excuse to be a b****



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09 Jun 2012, 9:30 am

Blownmind wrote:
zooguy wrote:
Loneliness, manifested in at least two of the following four symptoms:
- No close friends; - me
- Avoids others; ; - me
- Has no interest in acquiring friends; - me
- Prefers to be single - me
(...)
Impaired non-verbal communication, manifested in at least one of the following 7 signs:
(...)
- Gestures are large and clumsy; - me
(...)

I have never seen this list used for diagnosing AS before, where did you get it?


I googled it and found it here: 22 Main Aspergers Symptoms


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09 Jun 2012, 9:56 am

Raziel wrote:
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zooguy wrote:
Loneliness, manifested in at least two of the following four symptoms:
- No close friends; - me
- Avoids others; ; - me
- Has no interest in acquiring friends; - me
- Prefers to be single - me
(...)
Impaired non-verbal communication, manifested in at least one of the following 7 signs:
(...)
- Gestures are large and clumsy; - me
(...)

I have never seen this list used for diagnosing AS before, where did you get it?


I googled it and found it here: 22 Main Aspergers Symptoms

Ahh, an un-official blog with undated posts you can't comment written by an anonymous author. No wonder why people are confused about AS when thats the first thing you find when you google. The domainname is the reason this one comes high up on google, together with perhaps it's age, but thats irrelevant in this context. I just wish people would be more critical to the sources they gain their knowledge from. The most official lists are ICD-10, DSM-IV and Gillberg's criteria.


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09 Jun 2012, 11:58 am

Raziel wrote:
Blownmind wrote:
zooguy wrote:
Loneliness, manifested in at least two of the following four symptoms:
- No close friends; - me
- Avoids others; ; - me
- Has no interest in acquiring friends; - me
- Prefers to be single - me
(...)
Impaired non-verbal communication, manifested in at least one of the following 7 signs:
(...)
- Gestures are large and clumsy; - me
(...)

I have never seen this list used for diagnosing AS before, where did you get it?


I googled it and found it here: 22 Main Aspergers Symptoms




WTF :?


The 10 facts about Asperger's.


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09 Jun 2012, 12:45 pm

i think some people who have heard about "asperger syndrome' have romanticized about the general description which indicates above average intelligence with a social aloofness that is serious enough to warrant medical attention.

they like that description, and so they adopt it for themselves. most people lie. that is a sad fact of reality i think.
truthful people are priceless (that does not mean they are "worthless").
truth in communication is the most important fundamental quality that one can attach to, but my communicative qualities are certainly restricted, none the less, i always make sure that who i am talking to understands exactly what i have said.

i do not know anyone who i identify with on any level.



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09 Jun 2012, 12:55 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Raziel wrote:
Blownmind wrote:
I have never seen this list used for diagnosing AS before, where did you get it?


I googled it and found it here: 22 Main Aspergers Symptoms

WTF :?

The 10 facts about Asperger's.

I know, it's really unfortunate that a site like that pops up among top10 when you google "Aspergers symptoms". Their "About us"-page says; "When writing articles, we use only reliable sources and proven information"..I find that hard to believe, and they do not provide any links to their "reliable sources".

Anyways, here are some tips for not being disinformed;
1. Anonymous blogs are not reliable
2. Blogs where you can't comment avoid faults in the article being revealed in the comment section
3. Check more sources, do not rely on one alone
4. Check the date it was written, it might be outdated
5. If sources are listed, thats usually a quality mark
6.( there are many more, but these are relevant to the above mentioned "asperger-symptoms.net" )

There are much inaccurate information out there these days. Anyone can make a blog in 5 minutes without any knowledge of programming. Be sure to be critical to the sources. Don't take everything you read as the absolute truth. Don't even take my word for it, go read about it elsewhere to be sure what I just said is actually true.

Edit: ..I just tried to email the webmaster of "asperger-symptoms.net" and I got this automatic reply from the emailserver; "Delivery Status Notification (Failure)"..which basicly means there are no way to contact this person responsible for this disinformation.


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09 Jun 2012, 1:39 pm

I have YET to meet anyone faking being autistic. Even those who might have had a tendency to fake an ailment for attention or acceptance usually avoid ASD like some horrible flesh-eating disease of skin & limbs. ( The erroneos but common equation with Mental Retardation)
There are those on here who SUSPECT or believe they have it, but that is a far, far cry from deliberately pretending to have it. Most of us who suspect we have it, are up front in saying so.
As for my social skills on an electronic message system, I was doing this before most users here were born, before there was a World Wide Web or public Internet. Its as natural as breathing to me. Face to face is not. I have gotten better at it, but too much stresses me out & is very tiring. I usually say a few words & withdraw a bit then. You do learn things in 50 years.
Also, OP AS & ASDs change throughout your life, it is NOT a static situation.

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09 Jun 2012, 1:40 pm

<----- Can't wait till DSM V comes out and Asperger's will be no more. We'll all be autistic now. Those who don't want to be labeled as such will rejoin the NT world because people still equate autism with retardation.



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09 Jun 2012, 1:54 pm

If everybody on the spectrum do all get labelled as Autistic, I would rather be labelled as neurotypical because I do not want to always have to write ''Autism'' down on job applications. People make overestimated assumptions with the label ''Autism'', and stereotypically think that just because you're Autistic it means you can't talk to people or take instructions or do anything for yourself and so won't even bother to give me an interview. Yes, the UK is a very stingy place, employers don't give a s**t about the disability discrimination/equal opportunities act, because all they care about is money and who they're paying. So no, I'll just have to say I have anxiety issues. Lucky for me I can get away with telling everyone I am a socially awkward NT with anxiety issues and that practically covers me up completely.


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09 Jun 2012, 1:56 pm

I once read an article online about a man faking to be autistic just so he have someone take care of him and change his diapers. He did it so he could live his diaper fantasy and get changed by her. I say it was a insult to the autistic community and to the AB/DL community.

http://thestir.cafemom.com/in_the_news/ ... _autism_to


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09 Jun 2012, 2:49 pm

I'm glad I stayed out of this thread :) carry on.



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09 Jun 2012, 2:55 pm

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I'm glad I stayed out of this thread :) carry on.

The troll is gone, it's safe now.


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09 Jun 2012, 3:36 pm

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I'm glad I stayed out of this thread :) carry on.

The troll is gone, it's safe now.


Every time I call out a troll everyone else jumps on me to defend the troll until they figure out a week or 2 later that the person was actually a troll.

In the case of this thread, the OP is not a troll.