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AardvarkGoodSwimmer
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05 Dec 2012, 10:34 pm

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Perhaps the most moronic thing mentioned was the whole Gender Identity Disorder being changed into Gender Dysphoria. Last time I checked, feeling as if you're the wrong gender isn't a "mental illness" at all. Is having polydactyly a "mental disorder" too? There is the distinct possibility that nature simply effed up when some people were developing in utero and a person is born with the brain of a male but the body of a female. . . .

For example, a person who is considering transitioning from F to M may have felt all his life that he is male. I think a fair number of people in the general public get this, and a fair number don't.

The person is attempting to be true to themselves and to find their own path in a world which has not always made sense.

And that aspect has a lot of similarity with being on the autism spectrum. When it feels right, we probably do want to engage in conversation which help to engage members of the general public. And we probably want our own organizations which can help us advocate for our own interests. I mean, I want Wrong Planet to be part of a larger community.

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*When I told a guy I enjoy talking with in my poker league that I'm self-diagnosed on the spectrum, he shut down and his eyes glazed. I later decided he must have thought I was 'crazy' such as schizophrenic or bipolar, since I'm 'obviously' not autistic. If anything, I talk too much! So the conversations don't always go well. In fact, a fair number of conversations kind of go this way, although usually not as bad.

With two people I worked, I tried first telling them that I have sensory issues and processing issues, and then next introducing the idea that autism is a spectrum. I'll see how this goes.



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05 Dec 2012, 10:46 pm

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So we are all Autistic; so what? We always were. If some people are afraid the Autistic label will cause NTs to view them in a look-down-their-nose-at-you light, PROVE THEM WRONG! Be the same, intelligent person you always were, always are, and always will be. It may help to break the Rain Man stereotype.
I do think some good may come of this. I have known people who were given a spectrum diagnosis because their parents were so sure they had it. The parent cannot handle the child, so there's something wrong with him/her. It deludes the parent and affects the child as they live life. I hope that this re-write, perhaps with more rigid guidelines, can avert some of that; help a doctor say that there is nothing wrong with the child, rather than give him/her a mild diagnosis just to please the parent.

Sorry for the rant.
I don't want to have to be some kind of freedom fighter. Coping with everyday life is bad enough.


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05 Dec 2012, 11:20 pm

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. . . The dysphoria that comes with being trans IS the mental illness. They're not saying that the illness is somebody identifying with the opposite gender. They know that their gender identity is different from their sex. Calling it Gender dysphoria calls attention to the fact that the dissonance between sex and gender identity can be dysphoric. If they just called it "depression" then they might not be inclined to help them transition. That means getting access to the hormones and the surgery (if desired) and whatever else medically necessary to feel more comfortable in one's own body. How does one get that access? Having a diagnosis. Treating it like a disorder can be really helpful for some people. I could be wrong, but I think that's the rationale behind it. . .

Okay, I'll try and be somewhat open to that usage of the word 'disorder.' Some transgend persons may rather it be called a difference. And with autism, yes, I'd definitely rather it be called a difference.

Here's one example, a kid struggling in elementary school who's probably on the spectrum, it might take four months to get an IEP which basically sets one course of action. Whereas a teacher or tutor who's experienced could probably try three new things in a week. As I see it, the primary benefit of a diagnosis is that gives things which are more likely to work (which still aren't sure things), kind of helps me play percentage baseball so to speak.



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06 Dec 2012, 1:36 am

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We are all just autistic now. Of course, we already were but that is a whole other debate...

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This.

The label is irrelevant.

I am diagnosed ASD.

I don't say I have Aspergers.

So many use it as some kind of badge.

All that matters is that we are something and are able to cope.

I couldn't care less if it was called blueberry jam, it won't change how I am.



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06 Dec 2012, 1:42 am

If people have a problem with "being autistic" they can just say they aren't. Problem solved.


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06 Dec 2012, 2:12 am

CyborgUprising wrote:
Perhaps the most moronic thing mentioned was the whole Gender Identity Disorder being changed into Gender Dysphoria. Last time I checked, feeling as if you're the wrong gender isn't a "mental illness" at all. Is having polydactyly a "mental disorder" too? There is the distinct possibility that nature simply effed up when some people were developing in utero and a person is born with the brain of a male but the body of a female.


I'm pretty sure being born with the wrong brain would be a mental illness. That said, I'm also pretty sure that gender identity disorder isn't simply being born with the wrong brain, it's got to more complex then that.



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06 Dec 2012, 2:31 am

I am starting to understand why GID is considered an illness. It causes the person distress and the fact they have to act like their bio gender and it makes them depressed because they can't act the opposite gender they feel on the inside. I never knew such rules existed for each gender. :? I suppose when you are a child and your parents won't let you play with dolls or play tea parties because you're a boy and you are forced to play with boy things and do boy stuff and it's not your interest, I can see why you be sad as a child and be depressed. But when you are an adult, it's different because your parents then can't tell you how to live your life unless they don't accept you for choices they make they feel are women things, not guy things. But I never grew up with having to do girl things only and it was all unisex stuff and I played with my brothers toys a lot, played in the dirt, climbed trees, I was a tomboy and I watched boy shows too and played fighting games. But if my own mother were to tell me I couldn't do any of those things because it's for boys and I am a girl, that wouldn't mean I had GID if I was always sad I couldn't do this or that because I am a girl. I have had phases where I wished I was a boy so I could pee standing but that wasn't GID. Call me a boy or say I looked like one, I would have been offended.

But then again even homosexuality was an illness back in the days and they were treated poorly then and now it's a difference. They still get treated poorly sometimes because of all the homophobia out there and some churches still being against it so it makes me think GID isn't an illness and it's just a difference. If they are allowed to be what they feel on the inside, then it's not an illness just like homosexuality isn't.


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07 Dec 2012, 4:22 pm

Alycat wrote:
HereBeDragons wrote:
So we are all Autistic; so what? We always were. If some people are afraid the Autistic label will cause NTs to view them in a look-down-their-nose-at-you light, PROVE THEM WRONG! Be the same, intelligent person you always were, always are, and always will be. It may help to break the Rain Man stereotype.
I do think some good may come of this. I have known people who were given a spectrum diagnosis because their parents were so sure they had it. The parent cannot handle the child, so there's something wrong with him/her. It deludes the parent and affects the child as they live life. I hope that this re-write, perhaps with more rigid guidelines, can avert some of that; help a doctor say that there is nothing wrong with the child, rather than give him/her a mild diagnosis just to please the parent.

Sorry for the rant.
I don't want to have to be some kind of freedom fighter. Coping with everyday life is bad enough.


Nothing wrong with that. I saw several mentions of how some with AS view HFA, and felt the need to address it. Rather avid over the subject, I'm afraid. Apologies for upsetting anyone.


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