Expressing Doubts: First Scientific Refutal Of Asperger's

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29 Jun 2013, 5:57 am

MoonCanvas wrote:
Future posters: Quit commenting about my opening post, it was only an attempt to invoke conversation through use of controversial..


That's also known as trolling



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29 Jun 2013, 6:33 am

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Sigh....

Male brains are larger and that correlates with increased intelligence. Female brains are more 'wrinkly' and that also correlates with increased intelligence.

In my eyes if you think males are overall more intelligent then females, then you are nothing less than an idiot.
However, males and females are different, and both genders have different strengths and weaknesses, and I don't have a problem with the idea that more males are better at some things, and more females are better at other things.

As for the male-autism thing... the link below is to a TED talk by Simon Baron Cohen which specifically addresses this.
The link he discusses is between autism, gender, and maths/pattern/science type thinking.
I think it may have merit, but time will tell if there is more to it or not.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEYy1GXaNNY

I saw the entire video. For the most part it says that males score much higher in math than females, and that males take more interest in patterns. The video in itself is not really indicative of anything. People(and the speaker) spin science to be socially appropriate is what I gathered.



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29 Jun 2013, 6:52 am

your posts are not intelligent. just arrogant. and ignorant.



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29 Jun 2013, 7:01 am

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I saw the entire video. For the most part it says that males score much higher in math than females, and that males take more interest in patterns. The video in itself is not really indicative of anything. People(and the speaker) spin science to be socially appropriate is what I gathered.


"....the speaker...?"

Hmmm, .....you are either even more ignorant than I thought, or you really have nothing better to do and possibly like making ants explode with a magnifying glass for kicks.

Either way, I regret that I was a little slower than others in seeing that I am wasting my time.
Good luck with your quest for 'the truth'.



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29 Jun 2013, 7:12 am

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Verdandi wrote:
Also, having a high IQ doesn't mean that one is not really autistic, or that one is not really impaired. My IQ was apparently scored at genius level, and yet I have significant problems in every area of life, social impairment in every area of life, and moderate sensory sensitivities that lead to numerous daily problems.

It's scientific fact that people diagnosed on the autism spectrum tend to have larger brains. It's to say that high intelligence increases your odds of being diagnosed and may be the only reason.


Are you seriously trying to suggest that the reason I was diagnosed is because of my gifted IQ? Not, say, all the things written in the report such as stimming, failing to meet eye contact, not understanding or reacting to humor, difficulty in forming social attachments with peers, plus a detailed history of impairment going back into childhood? I really want to be sarcastic here, because you cannot make such a judgment over the internet. I've actually been diagnosed twice with AS, by two different professionals, by people who are aware of my history and how I look and act.

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The question that has baffled many: The reason females are much less likely to be diagnosed with autism? It's because they have smaller peak cranial circumference, possibly limiting their intelligence. Blame science for the sexism.


Actually, the question is not so baffling. One issue is that girls are not taken seriously when referred for diagnosis:

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 100410.php

Also, the current trend is for women to score higher on IQ tests than men. I am not actually saying that one can conclude that men are not as intelligent as women, as there are probably many factors at work. However, I am saying that the evidence that men are generally more intelligent is not something that is empirically supported.

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Science, reasoning and evidence always prevail.


If you truly believe this statement, when do you plan to start acting in accord with it? Because right now you're making things up and asserting them as true.

Also: ADHD is not due to a few random mutations, nor is it a list of personality traits. It is a neurological developmental disorder that occurs in ~5% of the population, and is correlated with differences in neurological development (hence the label). It is one of the most highly heritable conditions (along with autism) and is on average more severe and more impairing than most outpatient mental health problems (such as generalized anxiety disorder and major depression).

All of the above is mentioned - along with many other facts about ADHD - in a book titled ADHD in Adults: What the Science Says, You should check it out, since you might learn something from it. That is, assuming you are open to information that contradicts your beliefs and assumptions. So far, you've given little sign of flexibility in your views. This means you're basically wasting everyone's time.



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29 Jun 2013, 7:13 am

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I saw the entire video. For the most part it says that males score much higher in math than females, and that males take more interest in patterns. The video in itself is not really indicative of anything. People(and the speaker) spin science to be socially appropriate is what I gathered.


"Stereotype threat."

Google it.



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29 Jun 2013, 7:29 am

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Are you seriously trying to suggest that the reason I was diagnosed is because of my gifted IQ? Not, say, all the things written in the report such as stimming, failing to meet eye contact, not understanding or reacting to humor, difficulty in forming social attachments with peers, plus a detailed history of impairment going back into childhood? I really want to be sarcastic here, because you cannot make such a judgment over the internet. I've actually been diagnosed twice with AS, by two different professionals, by people who are aware of my history and how I look and act.

Ah yes, your troubles are the result of other's intolerance to difference. And somehow you're the one at fault?

Asperger's serves no scientific purpose, has no proven mechanism behind it, and no known causes. Whether you were diagnosed is not relevant to my concern.



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29 Jun 2013, 7:52 am

It's becoming clearer with each post you make that your "concern" is to denigrate both professionals and the people here who were diagnosed by them, and that's something I'm not going to allow.


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