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26 Jan 2007, 4:42 pm

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i am trying my best not to generalise, however, you must take into account that people with AS, and it would seem male aspies in particular, often find it difficult to relate to women in what we might consider to be a romantic/sexual manner. now, i am well aware that this is not a hard and fast rule, as many of us certainly have had or are having relationships of one sort or another.

HOWEVER, and i speak here from vast experience, that men who have difficulties relating to women for whatever reason (and i am not just talking about men with AS here), do indeed have a tendency to develop a certain bitterness against the female sex, which can develop into the very sort of behaviour you describe, that is, treating women not as human beings, and therefore equals, but as sex objects, as sad as this may be. i would hazzard a guess that those gentlemen with whom you have been having problems would perhaps fall into this group.

it is interesting to note that it seems far less common for this situation to arise in the opposite. i cannot think of a woman i have met who takes the attitude towards the opposite sex that i have regularly observed in male aquaintances.

the terrible thing about this state of mind that some men seem to aquire via their experiences is, that, it would seem to be something of a viscious circle. the more embittered they become, the more they tend to act in the manner you describe, hence limiting further their chances of attaining a satisfactory romantic or sexual relationship for themselves.

I agree. Thank god for porn and hookers. :lol:

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26 Jan 2007, 4:53 pm

Go Porn!

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26 Jan 2007, 4:56 pm

well actually, i haven't had that bad a time of it when it comes to relationships, so maybe i don't really understand the viewpoint, however, i wouldn't really recommend porn. it would appear that it simply makes it even more difficult for this particular type of man to relate to women as normal human beings. prostitution, on the other hand, i quite agree with and think it should be legalised.

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26 Jan 2007, 8:41 pm

More like go porn and my (Realdoll investment) lol, For prostitution do you even know why these people do what they do?, gentleman bars are legal ones... Charging £20 for a leg over I would give her that for a kiss they sell themselfs cheap... (adult industry trade show) I think all Aspie males should go to one of these them females are allot more nicer...

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26 Jan 2007, 9:05 pm

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I think all Aspie males should go to one of these them females are allot more nicer...

Hua???

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26 Jan 2007, 9:11 pm

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>adult industry trade show <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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26 Jan 2007, 9:42 pm

the exerpt from the book you mentioned in this very thread is not even potentially viable, there is NO WAY to study social effort exerted, the best you can pull off is interviews and questionaires, maybe if they counted primp time and all sorts of other factors that do not serve only the purpose of courtship and so cannot be counted purely towards courtship for their time, for their fiscal balance, or any other dimension

a statistic that has one deceptive statistic will have more, books use deceptive statistics as a means to sell more books, if an author can go on "Today" and "Good morning america" and present data that is counterintuitive and pretend they know something new they will sell books

the atkins diet is a repackaged diet for little epileptic kids who don't respond to medication, it claimed to have something counterintuitive, which to the plebians who consume this drivel, it was "what, me eat fat? fat make me fat though, YAY ME EAT FAT AND MEAT NOW!" this is an industry, the book "freakanomics" is all coallations of data that are trash, I mean, this sort of data melding would be no better than if I published a book that said the per capita numbers of UFO sightings have risen at about the same rate as percentage of left handed people, so lefties must at least be in some small number be aliens

it is trash, it is bad data but people buy it because someone says a study was done, well

okay, studies were done, someone studied how many UFO sightings there were

someone studied how many lefites there were compared to everything else

but just because there were studies done doesn't mean the data is at all connected or relevant, and you say "a multicultural study was done" as though allah, jesus, siddartha guitama and hare krishna descended from the clouds and told you this incredible truth

statistics and studies and books lie, publishers publish books to make money, not to inform you, authors write books to make money, not to inform you especially self help authors and people who write books about love <men are from mars women are from venus> it is a predatory industry, not to say that there aren't good books, but books that claim statistics that CANNOT ACCURATLY EXIST prolly don't fall within a days drive of that category.

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26 Jan 2007, 10:21 pm

Ticker wrote:

Alicorn you are being influenced too much by media.

I don't have a TV.

Ticker wrote:

If you only knew how many of us women have been raped and no one will believe. No one wants to talk about it. 3 out of 5 women are raped at least once in their lifetimes.

I will not speak of my personal experiences on this subject regarding women, however: That statistic is a lie.

It is based on the survey from Ms. magazine where the people who compiled the non-scientific results counted women as being rape victims even when the women themselves said they were not raped. Furthermore the FBI Uniform Crime Report shows that there were 93,934 forcable rapes in the U.S. in 2005. That's 3.17% of the population of women AND men in the U.S. were raped last year. Which breaks down to 31.7 per 100,000 people. Even if all of those 31.7 rapes were all women that still only be 31.7 per ~51,000 women were raped last year. (51,000 because women make up more than half the population.)

Also the report itself says: "All violent crimes rates increased in 2005 with the exception of the rate for forcible rape (31.7 per 100,000), which declined 2.1 percent compared with the 2004 data. "

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The common woman raped by the common man usually is not believed & usually does not even report it to the authorities.

Even if these numbers doubled it would not lead to the 'rape epidemic' nor the 3 in 5 number that feminists wish there actually was. The political movement of Feminism isn't about equality, it's about forwarding a political agenda for their dangerous religous cult. This bastard child of Marxist thought will end up in the dust bin of history just like the failed economist that it is based on.

Feminist propaganda = pwnd.

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26 Jan 2007, 10:25 pm

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Well, these last few posts illustrate the problem perfectly, I guess. Everyone wants to be the victim and whine about why their sex has it so bad and the other sex is living life in a bed of roses.

That wasn’t the point at all. The point was to show the frustrated men the solution to their problem: by Going Their Own Way.

When they Go Their Own Way then they will realize that a woman isn’t what they really need in their lives. It will give them the two things that they could never achieve before:

Peace & Freedom.

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26 Jan 2007, 10:32 pm

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Ticker wish you stop been negative towards males... We are not the guys who are the ones who your steam is coming from...

I really don't think you know how stressing it is to try and put this across with the way females snap coz of all the other men that gone up to you we can't help the way the world works, now allot of guy going up to you and asking you out and all that yes you won't find a person but you feel wanted in a way just curse how you can't find "mr right" as thingy said... & males are not the ones in control of sex females are, yes some force themselves but (Complex Humans) go on too long to explain it read up about (Human Courtship) if you want to know about it more without ripping all this apart first...

It's really hard to tell what you are saying because you don't use proper sentence structure so maybe I misunderstand you. But I am not negatives towards males. I find it ridiculous you keep correcting everyone on how relationships are, how life is when you can't even get out of your home and work or date. How the heck do you even know? I am speaking from experience when it comes to relationships. You are speaking about relationships from National Geographic or the Wild Kingdom shows.

And as far as me not being able to find "Mr. Right". You dork I'm a lesbian. I had a guy grinning his head off and checking me out in line at the gas station today for crying out loud. Because I did not flirt back does not mean I am negative towards men. It means I'm not interested. I don't hate men because I have more male friends at work than female friends. Guys like to talk with me. Actually I sparked the interest of another dyke at Walmart yesterday. I just am in no need to be in predator mode.

Why is it NT men don't relate the whole dating experience and relationships like you do? Maybe because they know that's not the way it works.

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26 Jan 2007, 11:25 pm

Alicorn wrote:

Ticker wrote:

Alicorn you are being influenced too much by media.

I don't have a TV.

Really? You seem pretty hip, what with all the references to media and how they relate to this "dangerous religious cult". Deperate Housewives, Sex in the City? You don't watch? Can you accurately say that these shows are "woman's view of how relationships should be" if you don't have a TV to watch these programs? How can you make a judgement? Did you download the TV programs off the internets?

By the way, do you understand why these sort of comment could be insulting? Not every woman watches these shows or uses them as a sort of checkpoint for how relationships should operate. Even the concept of using a fictional television show to "measure up" against my relationships.

Anyway, I'm off to the annual cult meeting. We're totally dangerous, and stuff. There's going to be beer, male strippers, pizza. Oh, and don't forget the male oppression. I can't wait!

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26 Jan 2007, 11:46 pm

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Melantha wrote:

That whole line of thought is utterly pointless and a waste of time and energy. This entire discussion has turned into a ridiculous farce that more than adequately answers any questions I had. Thank you everyone.

Good going guys; you've shot yourselves in the foot again. Since many of you seem to think you only have a chance with AS women why do you continue to insult and run them off WP?

They can't stop cause they hate us!!

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27 Jan 2007, 5:42 am

Just becuase your out and about more does not make you more aware of what is and what is not, even someone with more experience does not mean they better... Yes my syntax is out, Yes I know your a lesbian but the people out they don't know...

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You dork, when you can't even get out of your home and work or date, I am speaking from experience when it comes to relationships, (I am speaking of relationships from my uncle been a nurse in a hospital for woman that have depression because of the relationship they in, all the people hiding they true relationship...)
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And what says I have not had relationships, your assuming and correcting me, so your double standards eh? People are entitled to they opionion, and I am going basic, before bs comes in they is too many variables to bother trying to map something before you understand disorders...

Why is it NT men don't relate the whole dating experience and relationships like you do? Maybe because they know that's not the way it works.. (Your assuming... I can say things about you just like you say things about me but without calling you names...)

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27 Jan 2007, 6:43 am

logitechdog wrote:

More like go porn and my (Realdoll investment) lol, For prostitution do you even know why these people do what they do?

was this directed at me? if so, then i will say there are as various reasons as to why prostitutes do what they do. i have known women in the past who have at times in their lives worked as prostitutes, so yes, i think i have at least some degree of insight into the matter. there is no shame in prostitution, other than the stigma that society casts upon it, which is largely a product of the religious intollerance of the past.

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27 Jan 2007, 7:32 am

Sorry but are we talking about the same prostitutes? As in the ones who stand in the street, selling they body cheap, that need money in hand to fuel they drug addiction? As they don't work in the gentlemans bars because they need money upfront..? An escort is a legal working girl £120 for an hour...

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27 Jan 2007, 7:46 am

there are many types of prostitutes. as you rightly mention, some are victims of the drug trade and sell themselves on the street for cheap. others work for escort agencies and charge a fair bit more money than street prostitutes. some places there are even those who work massage parlours. gentlemen's clubs are something of a different matter. but regardless, there should be far less stigma attached to prostitution.

have you a problem with doctors and lawyers who work in order to procure money to buy drugs? drug addicts exist in all walks of life.

if a woman makes the decision to have sex with men for money, i don't see what the great problem is. in reality, they are providing a service for men who otherwise may have trouble finding a sexual partner, and will very possibly end up the stereotypical frustrated woman hating guy.

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