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01 Oct 2014, 4:08 pm

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But I think that I do have some ToM skills though and maybe more than the average stereotype of Aspie. I wonder if I developed that intellectually.

A great deal, probably, but don´t underestimate age and general life experience.


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01 Oct 2014, 9:05 pm

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skibum wrote:
But I think that I do have some ToM skills though and maybe more than the average stereotype of Aspie. I wonder if I developed that intellectually.

A great deal, probably, but don´t underestimate age and general life experience.
Thanks! I guess it would make sense since I have had almost a half century to figure it out! :D


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01 Oct 2014, 9:32 pm

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I think IQ tests are stupid, and I don't place important in someone's low score, average score, or high score.
How smart they are is shown by their idears and eggsecution of those idears, not their score on a stupid test with uninteresting, uncreative answers to uninteresting, uncreative questions.

I do agree that the "top line" score is not at all meaningful. However, I personally found the "scatter" from the subtest scores both informative and useful. They gave me some perspective on areas of relative strength and weakness (from a cognitive perspective).

You could argue, of course, that I should have known this (my areas of relative strengths/weaknesses) all along. But, I did not. And this test really helped crystallize this (probably not only for me, but also the diagnosing Psychologist).



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02 Oct 2014, 1:13 am

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I do agree that the "top line" score is not at all meaningful. However, I personally found the "scatter" from the subtest scores both informative and useful. They gave me some perspective on areas of relative strength and weakness (from a cognitive perspective).

You could argue, of course, that I should have known this (my areas of relative strengths/weaknesses) all along. But, I did not. And this test really helped crystallize this (probably not only for me, but also the diagnosing Psychologist).


I don't really know my strengths and weaknesses either and I hope getting the subtest scores is going to help clarify the whole thing.

Speaking of the "scatter", is it less common for NTs to have such a scattered IQ profile? Why?



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02 Oct 2014, 10:18 am

I´m no expert, but I could imagine, that it has to do with the kind of brain development, that creates "savant" abilities/splinterskills.

During the growth of an autistic brain, some connections in the brain develops weaker, whereas some single areas develops significantly more blood vessels, which means more oxygene, which conditions "abnormal" ability in that particular field (music, language, math etc.) varying from good ability over talent to genius level, whereas the rest of that persons abilities are more or less average with some low points.

This profile can come in any degree from a slightly taggy profile to one with great leaps.


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02 Oct 2014, 11:58 am

I don't think that you should depend on IQ subtest scores to tell you what you are good at in real life.
This obsession with IQ is unhealthy, and obsessing over subtest scores is the same.
What you are good at in real life depends on what you pursue and how much talent you have in that area (not measured or measurable from IQ subtests) and how much you work at that area over time.


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03 Oct 2014, 11:36 am

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I don't think that you should depend on IQ subtest scores to tell you what you are good at in real life.
This obsession with IQ is unhealthy, and obsessing over subtest scores is the same.
What you are good at in real life depends on what you pursue and how much talent you have in that area (not measured or measurable from IQ subtests) and how much you work at that area over time.

As often is the case, I agree with your position.

I didn?t mean to suggest that you can use the results to tell you what you are good at in real life. The results will not help you with that. But, at least for me, the results (not only from WAIS, but also from other tests conducted during the assessment) helped me understand some of the things I have struggled with.



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03 Oct 2014, 1:41 pm

What did you learn about your weaknesses from IQ subtests?
Are they reflected in real life?


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05 Oct 2014, 12:42 am

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What did you learn about your weaknesses from IQ subtests?
Are they reflected in real life?

Much of what I learned from the IQ subtests scores is based upon the analysis provided by the Psychologist who diagnosed me.

In the report, the Psychologist noted that, ?Working memory?[was Rocket?s] lowest area of performance. [Rocket] needed time [to] consider responses and often requested repetition [on the question asked]?. Based upon this test (along with other tests performed, including Wisconsin Card Sorting Test, WSTR-R), the Psychologist observed that I ?required more time to reason through information [that was] unstructured [and presented in a] novel situation?.

Interestingly, after being diagnosed, I have become more aware of how this impacts me. I wrote (in another thread) about recently becoming a jury member. That at times, I had issues following the question-answer volley between the attorney and witness (especially trying to process ?negative logic?). The words were just coming too fast. This happens in other scenarios as well (e.g. when I watch movies, it?s not uncommon for me to ask my wife, ?What did they say? or when attending a meeting at work, trying to figure out what people are saying). Anyway, what did I learn from this? Well, if I am ever on a jury again, I would certainly ask for ?accommodations?. Because I felt extremely anxious each night following jury duty, as I was scared that I missing key testimony (and, as a result, would make a wrong decision).

Not certain if this answers your question though.



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05 Oct 2014, 12:01 pm

Rocket123 wrote:
btbnnyr wrote:
I don't think that you should depend on IQ subtest scores to tell you what you are good at in real life.
This obsession with IQ is unhealthy, and obsessing over subtest scores is the same.
What you are good at in real life depends on what you pursue and how much talent you have in that area (not measured or measurable from IQ subtests) and how much you work at that area over time.

As often is the case, I agree with your position.I didn?t mean to suggest that you can use the results to tell you what you are good at in real life. The results will not help you with that. But, at least for me, the results (not only from WAIS, but also from other tests conducted during the assessment) helped me understand some of the things I have struggled with.
I think they can tell you to an extent. If, say, your verbal ability is much higher than your visuo-spatial ability, which is below average, then it would be so hard to develop even average skills in the visuo-spatial domain that it would make a lot more sense to target your career toward more language-oriented professions. As someone who has always tried to find a job where I would need as little accommodation as possible, the IQ and other assessment information are invaluable in helping me make the right choices in my life. Maybe I've found this information to be more useful for me because I feel that my learning challenges are my biggest source of disability.

Really, it's best not to obsess over anything personally-related, but just to keep it at the back of your mind as one of the factors to consider when you make certain life choices.

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But sometimes I do project my thinking on other people and wonder why they don't respond like I do. Sometimes I don't understand why they don't respond like I do and they have to explain it to me. But I think that I do have some ToM skills though and maybe more than the average stereotype of Aspie. I wonder if I developed that intellectually.
I can relate to this, too, despite being young. There was about a year, when I was around 18-19, when I spent a bit too much time introspecting and reading A LOT about ASD. As a result, I went from someone with barely any self-awareness to someone who is extremely self-aware...


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05 Oct 2014, 4:24 pm

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I think they can tell you to an extent. If, say, your verbal ability is much higher than your visuo-spatial ability, which is below average, then it would be so hard to develop even average skills in the visuo-spatial domain that it would make a lot more sense to target your career toward more language-oriented professions. As someone who has always tried to find a job where I would need as little accommodation as possible, the IQ and other assessment information are invaluable in helping me make the right choices in my life. Maybe I've found this information to be more useful for me because I feel that my learning challenges are my biggest source of disability.

MathGirl,

I didn?t mean to waver on topic. But you are correct. For me, the subtests definitely exposed certain strengths (as I scored significantly higher on two particular sub-tests, Arithmetic and Matrix Reasoning).

The Psychologist noted that, ?Nonverbal concept formation and mental arithmetic?were areas of considerable strength?[that] these are often used in system design, math, science?.

As a note, after receiving the analysis from the Psychologist, I did some additional research. According to the Cattell-Horn-Carroll (CHC) Theory <click>, my scores on these sub-tests suggests high Fluid Reasoning <click>.

What?s I found interesting about this, is that early on in my career, I had jobs that were consistent with those strengths (including positions such as software engineer, system architect and systems analyst). Yet, for some idiotic reason, I transitioned to jobs which downplayed those strengths and instead required different skills (including better social skills). I ran into all sorts of problems (I have posted about some of these difficulties in other threads).

You could say, ?Well, duh?. Yet, before the diagnosis, I really didn?t understand the extent to which this was an area of strength (it?s definitely sometime I took for granted). Likewise, I really didn?t understand why I struggled so much in roles requiring social skills. I knew I struggled, but, I simply didn?t understand why.

Anyhow, going forward, I will definitely pay more attention to this. As doing anything else would be idiotic.



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06 Oct 2014, 12:43 am

I would ace the Bejeweled portion of the IQ test, but fail the Flappy Bird portion.
My score in Fruit Ninja would be close to the superior range.


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06 Oct 2014, 8:13 pm

btbnnyr wrote:
I would ace the Bejeweled portion of the IQ test, but fail the Flappy Bird portion.
My score in Fruit Ninja would be close to the superior range.

Bunny - I had no idea what you were talking about games, until I did a google search. Hilarious.

Based upon your response, I sense you discount any insight one can glean from the IQ subtests. Is there research to support that position (that you can direct me to)? If so, I would be interested in reading it (to learn more).



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06 Oct 2014, 9:20 pm

Maybe insight can also be gleaned from game scores. My fluid reasoning tells me so.



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06 Oct 2014, 9:24 pm

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Maybe insight can also be gleaned from game scores. My fluid reasoning tells me so.

I am good at Robotron 2084 and Tempest. Does that mean anything? :lol:



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06 Oct 2014, 9:57 pm

I wonder if some kinds of tests can be made in the form of video games. With really good graphics to keep them interesting. That could be fun.
A 21st century kind of test taking.