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I once knew a child in our neighbourhood who was ADHD and ODD but not autistic. He made any autistic child I have encountered look like an angel. Perhaps that mother should swap her autistic child with that adhd/odd child for a week or two and then she may not feel so badly about her own child when she gets her back.

When I saw the kids , meltdown states , struggling to get out of the situation they know they are about to be put in, or the situation that they are in, giving up and crying - I realised.. Yes I Put my parents through hell.

but! ....


I love america - and I am not being sarcastic! --I am often hounded by my freinds when I gone on about thier america bashing ... and I always piont out 'The Facts' - why it is that my friends/aquintances/strangers are hypocrits or have thier facts just plain wrong .eg Vietnam ... the people of veitnam can forever thank the americans for ever seting foot in thier coutry. etc etc - I am a proponent to logic so setting them right can be an obsession, just as WP is starting ot become an obsession.

-but

There is something rotten in the state of 'America'. (shakespear pun)


....the media has too much of a grip on your society ... I mean I thought it was bad here in Australia ,, but that ABC highlight of the Autism speaks group .... what is wrong with you people! - people like that wouldn't get air time here. (Then again us Aussies are starting to copy you guys, we now have 'Current Affair' programs in your exact same format.)

I can't even find a freakin suport group here in Australia , you ask an Aussie what's Autism ,and they couldn't care less what autism was (Although ADHD is taking off in this country - but thier ain't any TV programs about it) - I highly doubt that that the average parent here even considers telling anyone that thier kid suffers from ANYTHING.... if thier is a diagnosis, the parent will usually find excuses for thier childs apparent differences when in the public domain - SO THAT EVRYONE TREATS THIER CHILD JUST LIKE THIER OWN even if thier liver is missing, are bold have no tongue and are in a wheel chair.

Imagine the poor Diagnosed sufferer as a child having to watch himself on TV , because mummy and daddy are so brainwashed that their only source of entertainment and infromation has beome the brainwash box.



-Just thought I'd rant one more ... as an ASPIE ,one of my favorite topics is Social Engineering.

AS for some of my experiences...

PS... I still love america! - theres just too many channels! -learn to switch off. ,, amybe they won't make a profit out of you. -oh by the way,, people have to make documentaries.... so how many people 'got jobs' to make the Autism Speeks doco? -gota love the only really free economy on the planet (again not being sarcastic - I truly do love it - you should try and run a business here - TAX is 50%+ and we're controlled by red tape)


In the mental hospital .. I met what I know now to be an Autisitc adult with a missin chromosome- the fully blown type ... drooling when concentrating (which was alot)
, interaction with envirnoment was thwarped.
, sensory issues
, flapping
, gross motor and fine motor control
etc etc - just like the kid in the documentary that was organising his basket, just like the kid that crumpled the block of pyramids - an Autistic.

-I personally got along fine with the dude - he even started droolling more when I was in his presence (He was concetrating on trying to fit in - especially cause he liked me - I think he realised that I was a 'cured' version of him and I mean in the baking sence(cured))

I would often talk to him when he was 'Tired' as the doctor put it (really he just wasn't getting any sensory over stimulation and wasn't thinking too hard), I'd creep up on him once I had established that he had seen my eyes.. I gave it time, I didn't just go up to him and say 'how's it hanging george'
After being subtle about my approach I sat next to him and asked the obvious ; how are you... not expecting an answer - but I did : his rocking flinched to the left (as it should) and re-approached toward me (on the right)... he wanted to be social. Then waht did I do - what an NT can't cope with ... I just sat thier. After a while I observed that he started drooling more - he started thinking,,, what was he thinking about? - what every aspie that don't fit in thinks about : how to fit in.... it was obvious a thought was triggered : what should I do, look over to him, get away ,but I don't want to go away, I want to learn, I want this person to be my friend, do I get up, do I try sit still, Oh I wish I could sit still, s**t I'm drooling again, ehh the f'n sun go away, did he move, he moved.... : I get hugged by a 25 year old ret*d Autistic., being an Aspie myself I don't like this and try and roll into 'the ball' .. thankfully he stopped and I could be calm again.. of course now he's following me around , something I don't like .. so in the end the Nurse Wait staff had to drug him up and take him to bed.

The next day, he pee-ed his pants upon recognition that I had 'seen' him. I couldn't be around him anymore, being afraid that I would get another hug. Of course the wait staff new this so kept him at bay with day time sleeping pills. - which of course stopped his drooling, - but you would expect that when your in a living coma.

-I had 'seen' the parents on visits. - I really tried to take notice of them, I felt sorry for them, and as most people do (I think) we observe just how distraught people that have overcome adversity are (a shark atack victim is very high rating ain't it). I couldn't gather much in my haze of the bleeding heart, but observed that the mother had the hardest time with the son - being physically weaker, and if you ask me un-understanding. The father on the other hand, was his paymate, the one he got along with, the charcter that gave him the avenue to be calm, yet still giving respect and understanding his authority.
-I observed the parents discussing something with the doctor, at first they seemed to be the type that just hand over the reigns to the doccie cause he knows best, but then it dawned on me... my parents don't even discuss anything with the doctor in plain sight, it's always behind closed doors ,when the costor has time - he's a busy man ya know.
-By the time I was sobering up from the cocktail they call a remedy at the crazy house... I was approached by the parents of George(not real name to protect the innocent -incase some parent from Australi is reading - ah geez you know who you are so what I am about to say is not going to be easy).
They did the usual small talk to get the piont of firstly approaching me (they had already conversed with my parents and gotten to know them by this piont) ponting out that I looked better and was doing good blah blah blah.... then they stated that thier son has an affinity for me... of course I shrugged it off , while remmebering how the little bastard would follow me around.

So what do we get out of this....

For 1 - no-one can know one's Mind's eye , even though I have assumed that I have.
2. autism is debilitating , especially at the age of 25.
3. and heres the cruncher....

Parents can do the MOST detriment to thier Autisitc child.

I see myself as being George if it hadn't of been for my parents.

-The most diagnostic anaylsis my parents ever did on me was Physical only - they once took me to a specialist to figure out why I was allergic to everything (we now know that I'm just sensitive) -luckily the specialist hadn't read up on Autism as being a mask around what would otherwise be just sneezing and scratching by a kid that has a cat in the house. -So my parents never knew, and still don't know. (I think - they're not really versed on physchology, nor do they cared to be - ie, they believe we are as god put us on this earth -no need to change as long as we're healthy)

-Georges Parents on the other hand: Well the mum is somewhat a spitting image of the chick in our little documentary here.... She is the 'concerned parent' , the 'bleeding heart' --- the AS negative the exact opposite to a person with Autism, which you ask me should also be classified as a disorder.
The father on the other hand - I think he is what I am now .. he had the classic dark handsome looks (nah to the piont) he was a cured Autistic type. typically rubbing himself onthe left shoulder, leaning to the left, looking to the right top, didn't do any of the talking, wanting to end all conversation with the doctor (it was the wife that did the talking, with him only butting in out of courtesy - a trait that he had learnt.)

-Other than if george had any other debilitating disorder that I don't know about (and yes it's a big presumption - I don't know this guy or his history) , I don't see why a good hard whack over the head at the age of 3 wouldn't of helped. -it did wonders for me.

PS - I mean no harm to the parents of currently growing up Autisticly disposed children. ,, but: my piont should be clear ,, being Autistic don't mean anything : getting an Autisitic to live in your world as you see it may be something else - if they are willing to learn. ie - You have to be the authoity figure from hell straight away - don't leave it till thier 4. Authority figures demand respect - so demand it. - don't expect to be friends with your autisitc child (I'm sorry mum ,but you may never get to dance with your child) - once/if they start to communicate then they can start to have a hobbie - untill then thier hobbie is learning about the environment, therfore - no toys, no books, no tv, no radio, no sunlight, no walkies in the playground - nothing .. lock them up in a sensory deprived house with you and your family. ... doing things 'slowly' ,ie no rush rush you have to cook dinner before 5... really slow ,make it know to the whole house what you are doing by doing it for such a long tim that even the ants under floor boards start to wonder if it's the year 2000 or the 1800's . - when/if your kids doo one day start to communicate, , you may begin to intorduce other sensations ... eg. sunlight , sound (dropping a pan) -with each action watch the reaction! - when the pan dropped ,did Autistic child jump?, did he look over?, did he look over to and wait for it to happen again? - all great reactions! - if he didn't look over than - yeah you wnet to the hospital to get the hearing checked and then found out that it's too late you developed Autism in your child by watching the wiggles with him at the age of 2 months.


-The primary difference between an NT and an AS is

AS will NEED to know the logic behind everything from BIRTH! - the NT child doesn't come out of the womb that smart ... instead they are CONTENT in ABSORBING information at whatever pace they are able to construct any logic behind the info. ... so somewhere along the line when the child from the womb starting absorbing information, it decided that it won't comprehend anything without being able to construct it in a logical manner - in other words your child was smarter than the average child - it had already figured out what a 'conept' is... whereas the NT child just sits their like a sponge waiting for thier synapses to fire ,, like an autonomous computer slowly evolving ... the AS child on the other hand is slef aware earlier because the had developed the idea of a conept, and were able to string together the Logic behind existing. (This could become an intersting thesis for many a subject) ,, so when an entity that can comprehend, yet is immersed in a HIGH DATA invironment ,will choose the 'MOST IMPORTANT' peices of data in order to be able to construct a Logical scenario -ie repeat the data to themselves logically - when their is too much data, a logical path is too difficult to achieve, so we truncate the data in packets ,that can be reconstructed into 'mini' peices of repeatable events logically. That is why certain things will develop faster than others (once the logic for one action is learnt, it can be repeated and re-observed) - the thing is an aspie child will get carried away and start 'playing' with thier newfound logic, observing it over and over and over again, seing some minor change and noting it, reobserving, and observing and over and over .... now while all this is happening the NT child has already gotten bored with observing this 1 little thing over and over again so they decide to move on and try to learn something new, or if they never learnt it properly the first time upon observation .. they put it in the too hard basket and come back to it later (unless they deleted it - in which case they will need to observe it again to re-learn it especially so if it needs logic in order to implement it). The AS child wil be comfortable, observing, re-observing, finding monir changes,, untill the data changes... enlightnement upon the current data set can be achieved which higlights a NEW braoder bigger dataset they can work on -- but if the dataset is too big, and they don't like the dataset being too big, so they may jump back into to the data set they used to stumble upon the enightenment and close the door for a while,,, actually the door is still open but he/she won't be going down the corridor unless the wind blows in some leaves, in which case they will study the leaves. The NT child on the other hand, is already bored with the dataset and has left the building - and if they forgot to draw a map will never return.


-This thread gettin too long - Sorry fro the bad ending - could read a novel next time thou?

KimJ,

No one here is in a position to tell you how to be a parent, which is the reason why I felt it necessary to make the points that I did. How should the autistic child be raised? On the one hand, certain things need to be done and if the rules are not adhered to, you run the risk of having a child that is autistic and spoilt rotten too. The problem lies not in autistics not having a theory of other people’s minds, but of you not having any clue of what goes on in your autistic child’s head - the things that may seem gentle, but firm to a mother maybe very harsh and painful to the autistic. And as repeated interactions fail, the only recourse appears to be violence or the threat of it. Nor is it limited to parenting, this problem extends to teachers who have to deal with autistic children.

What I am raising is nothing more than what Hans Asperger was trying to bring to the world’s attention. He ran a school for children whom the system had given up. Often, even the parents had given up and viewed him and his school as their last hope. One can only imagine the kinds of abuse that these children have suffered in the hands of their “caregivers” before enrolling.

The pedagogical method that Hans Asperger suggested was based on harnessing the obsessive interests of these children and the calming impact of performing repetitive tasks. He also made clear that getting angry and corporeal punishment were counterproductive.

The imperative in raising autistic children, especially mildly autistic ones, is to view avoiding meltdowns as the number one priority. There is nothing you can do with me, nor is there anything I can do with myself when I meltdown. When I was a child, these episodes were often met with punishment and when that did not work, resigned resentment that eventually led to a total break in the relationship. When children who are mildly autistic stay clear from the dangers of melting down, they can actually be a joy to be with as they are quirky and take practically all instruction literally. They seek to please and want approval for these children are fragile.

But look at your reaction and tell me if others do not feel the way you do. I know that it is hard – when the episodes occur, you want to help, but there is nothing that seems to work. And in any life, there are other pressures that have to be dealt with. If it appears that I am directing what I have to say at mothers, it would only be because for most autistic children, their primary caregiver is their mother. The reality is that the autistic child causes pain for a lot of people and it is a natural human response to be resentful. It would be a very rare mother to not resent a little their child’s autism because it is impossible to escape from that angry thought that it is just bad behavior. I do not look different from other people, but like everyone else on the spectrum, I will tell you that I am just not like everybody else.

Ok... this is rather an ignorant standpoint from someone that claims to be self-diagnosed himself on the spectrum. For some parents, Aspergers can likely be just as 'scary' too when the parents are hearing about it and only have seen the stereotypes. I have been diagnosed with Aspergers and my son was diagnosed with Autism (Kanner's type) thank you and it didn't bring any sickening sense of horror to me even before I was diagnosed myself with Aspergers.

You make a lot of assumptions about the autism spectrum, generalizing the parenting of those on the spectrum negatively and then seem to act as if you're justified or something. Maybe you don't know much about parenting unless you become a parent yourself. It's not easy parenting any child period. It has nothing to do with the spectrum. You'll find some bloody jerks of parents to other children that have no challenges at all that we do. Trying listening and learning more versus making judgements.

Seems like both you and Erlyrisa have a lot to learn about not generalizing parenting methods and all. Just from reading both lots of posts. A parent that has good supports and all from family and all do end up with the right help to be able to feel confident in their parenting and all... not this nonsense about parents being 'detrimental' to their children. Try the general society, it's just as detrimental in its own ways and often works against parent's efforts to do their best for their children.

Erlyrisa, I agree with you about the American media. Of course I haven't seen Australian media or much other than American, but if its not as bad where you live maybe I should move there! (of course I like Australia for other reasons too)

But anyway. Interesting points and easy to read. Most posts that long I can't. I disagree with the part about locking your kid away from sensory input completely and then introducing it, but if I disagree because it sounds a bit extreme, I actually do agree with the basic concept you are trying to express that you should do things gradually. Dumping the stuff on your son and expecting him to toughen up and be a man doesn't work. My Dad kindof did that. You have to let kids have a break and let them go at their own pace.

I could not handle being at the dinner table with my family becuase it stressed me out so much. In fact, it was hurting my relationship with my parents. But one time I overheard my Dad explaining to my brother why he was so harsh to me in making me eat with them and sit there for an hour while he did a bible study and made everyone participate. He said "the thing with aspergers is you have to make them do things they don't want to do or else they will never do it and he won't learn how to handle social situations".

This made me VERY angry at him because his ignorance was destroying me. Because he had no idea and he thought he did. He thought "brian thinks we're hurting him, but its just tough love, we're actually helping him by training him"

No you were NOT. And I know this. It is frustrating though because even if I told them that, there was a condescending attitude that they knew better and because I had aspergers I didn't understand. (of course they learned not to actually discuss aspergers with me)

But the truth is I know more about myself than they ever will. Unfortunately I cannot actually discuss aspergers with them because it is so painful. They made it painful to me. I'm not embarassed by it, except in my relationship with them. They have so many COMPLETE misundersandings of it and I wish I could just explain to them how it really is, but because of their parenting mistakes, I can never talk to them about it or even mention the word.

I know it was frustrating for them and I feel sorry for them. I couldn't relate to them and they wanted to help me. But my anger at their inability to listen to me outweighs this. I was letting him know what I really needed, and that was to be let out a little to get out on my own, to be loved, and all he could say is "brian, why do you hate us? all I've ever done is love you and help you and you are so ungrateful"

But he never gave me anything to be grateful for. He would get mad at me for rejecting his "help" even though it wasn't help and I let him know this! I told him what I needed and he refused to listen, and then when he did his own thing, got mad when I refused to accept it.

Actually I know an increasing amount of mothers that I talk to that are non-autistic that after me being on the board with them and talking about my experiences and all as a child and an adult on the spectrum and having an autistic son are starting to look at their child in a new more positive light. I don't resent my son's autism than resenting having Aspergers myself. Instead of trying to enter the forum of judging parenting, why don't you find something you do know something about instead of making a lot of statements that you can't fully justify.

Are you on the spectrum? Because if you are, you would understand what I am saying. Everyone on the spectrum understands why Aspies kill themselves with such alarming frequency. Having a child who has autism of the Kanner's type is horrifying - there is no other way to express how it feels. To find out that your child is mildly autistic is like entering into a constant battle with reality and illusion - they look normal in every way, but they are just not.

I am deeply offended that you would even suggest that I am being "dehumanizing" and insist that you apologize. The truth does not dehumanize autistics; it is the pretense that the entire autism industry sells to needy parents which dehumanizes this condition.

Apparently Zeno, you might like to check profiles and all before answering and researching a little before you make assumptions. Obvious also didn't see CNN at all because anbuend has been on there for an interview due to being on the spectrum.

I honestly am sorry to say that I think you know very little about the spectrum at all or you wouldn't make such blatantly uninformed statements that you do. You are insulting in the least to many others that have posted here a much longer time and that are diagnosed and also to parents that have children on the spectrum and all. To act like you're superior because you think you have Aspergers over those with Autism especially Kanner's type is just a show of how you don't get the spectrum at all.

Here do a little informed research, anbuend is Amanda Baggs and here is an article of an interview with her on CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/02/21/autism.amanda/index.html

She has done more for autism awareness and all from her blog and video than you have done in your little amount of degrading posts on this thread.

What I say is deeply shocking to many parents with autistic children, and I am saying this as a grown man who has come to accept his own autism, not as an expert. So it is a very personal account but one that I feel is relevant. Read the popular press on the very difficult relations that Aspergians typically have with their parents. It is typically put down to the Aspergian’s poor social skills (they blame the Aspie yet again) without understanding the real dynamics of what is involved. The abuse of autistic children is not something that we can look away from.

You really don't read very well apparently or care to read anything but give your opinion. You are generalizing which is very neurotypical of a response. I live with Aspergers, have for 33 almost 34 years now. Do you have anything to tell me that isn't based on your views from what you read versus what you really experienced or have formulated. There are many of us that are out there that are trying to build awareness and a better understanding amongst others for us... I advocate every day on behalf of my autistic son and myself to help others better understand the spectrum. What do you do to contribute other than make a lot of statements based on likely only a small fraction of what is seen on the media and what you feel like saying without foundation. Half of those that replied back to you... you dismissed even responding, why is that? Because you're talking about a lot of stuff you can't back up maybe?

Is my post degrading or is your post degrading? I express my honest views, a perspective that is generally drowned out by the feel good movement in autism circles. I do not care what you or this individual, anbuend, have done for the autism movement. To personally attack me without addressing any of the arguments that I have raised is simply bullying. And if you are autistic, like you claim to be, then you should know what it feels like to be bullied and I expect that you would have no problems apologizing.

How have I insulted anyone? If you go through what many parents with autistic children have to say, you will see that there is more than a kernel of truth in what I have said. Instead of feeling all superior and forming an internet mob to destroy this woman’s life (I am referring to the woman who was featured talking about killing herself and her daughter), I am simply saying that everyone else should take an honest look at how they treat autistic children. What that woman had to say was extreme, but it is not unique.

I got bullied and all, should I apologize for listening to parents of children with autism like my son has even though I have Aspergers and listening to you degrade parents by assuming they are horrified by their autistic children? No. Maybe you should apologize for that ignorance yourself. I have an official diagnosis of Aspergers. Do you? I don't think that woman should be mobbed no... but I think she should be educated yes. Will I apologize for my honest response of things to you. No. Because if you can't accept that parents will likely react the way I did to your ignorance and all, maybe you should be one to apologize to the other parents on this thread that have children with Autism for your stereotyping them as bad parents. Maybe if you learned more about Autism and all, you'd realize between an autistic and an aspie, there is a very grey area that is pretty small between them. Having a child with Autism is not a horrifying thing. The media is the horrifying scary thing a parent with Autism.

And the fact of the matter is that almost all states have legislation geared toward the abuse of disabled persons by caretakers (parents and otherwise). The problem also exists for the elderly and most states address that in the same legislation. There are already agencies and organizations that deal with this. Autism alone does not create these people and you are missing the boat if you think that it does. Abusers will find whatever excuse they need to abuse, it isn't confined to Autism and Autism is no excuse for their actions either. It's insulting to other disabilities and aged that you imply otherwise. It's insulting to caretakers to imply they all do this.

We could go create thirty more agencies and pass 100 new bills and the fact still remains that nothing will help the child except to report it. Those bills and agencies alone cannot help or stop it. People, everyday people, have to do that.

So either report it or quit wasting your font. The problem as a whole has already been addressed and then some.

Seriously agreeing with the quote above me here; no autist is a "person of the living dead"- even farther from the truth to include their parents and those close to them.

I'm guessing you are NOT autistic by your attitude toward the disorder...that's pretty messed up that'd you'd assign us such a role.
There's a quote that reminds me of you, unfortunately it wasn't spoken about autists, but rather about the blind. It can still apply though.

"Unfortunately, the blind are forced to accept the standard that the sighted force upon them. They cannot rise above this sterotype and most of them adopt this mindset of helplessness because the sighted demand or expect it to be so and they cannot break through the barrier that society assigns them in life."

While I don't agree with EVERYTHING in this quote, it proves a point.

You and a bunch of neurotypical parents in that movie just proved your close-mindedness about the disorder and how it affects autists around the world-

My to whom ever it may concern (an open letter - I'm not trying to be smug - just adding some extra FYI -whoops not being smug with the terminology of the phrase FYI)

--Um where do I start.... and I seriously want to help.

1. I beleive the later you leave the connection of being the LOVING authority figure to your Autisitc child , the more detriment to the child.

eg.. the kids that do the body to the ground thing - I did this incessantly with mum, from cloth changing to going up a staircase. the more she pushed me the more I would dig my nails into the ground. -this of course didn't work with dad (I think mothers would feel silly picking up thier child, which I feel for and I think if I were a mother I wouldn't carry my child either)
Theory: Dad was the LOVING authority figure..... his whacks over the head came from 'NO WHERE' there was no warning - just a whack to the head or the arse like he was trying to get reception from the TV.

2. My parents were imigrants from a third world - well 2nd world country (eastern Block) - they didn't care for the latest fad, or fitting in, or TV (We didn't have a TV untill our second house - which yes if your guessing was a harrowing time for me to MOVE, thankfully the fact that the new house had floor boards got me 'attatched to it' - jumping up and down on them like a trampoline -which is a good tip for parents deciding to move, find a charcterisitc in the new home that your child can hopefully instantly have an affinity with)
HYPOTHESIS:
My parents were quiet around me and never asked, told, pionted out, or even held my hand - they instinctively knew that I liked to concetrate on things... my brother on the other hand would always have great in depth discusion with mum - but not dad. (I think my parents decided - alright this ones mine and the other one is yours) - I mean me an my brother, in the bakc of our heads really thought that the only reason that either set of parent did'nt interact with us was because they weren't like us or didn't understand us (another great tip, choose a parent for each child... I know a family of seven, almost in odd even afintiy for each parent to child,,, the father took on the Nazi Authority Figure, with a very strict rule base and ecentric propoganda for the children, where the mother was the Victimised, I'll do it for you behind his back let the kid do anything I don't even care that you exist but I love your company type. -and it worked only 1 kid in jail - that can be attributed to Heroin and not entirly bad parenting )
THEORY: Sensory depravaton doesn't come from the invironment,,, its attributed to each generation being 'more adept' with information (each generation of the last 120 years has had to deal with more and more information, from 1920's swing to the internet.) the problem with this is that with each new generation of new Parents thier perceptions about information and it's relevance has gone from interacting with the common world ,, ie earth fire wind water ,, to playing inthe world of the Fifth Element (watch the movie, it's actually a parody about how to push civilisation into an AUTISTIC STATE, where individuals and the society as a whole has 'enhanced abilities' yet being introverted on both the individualistic aspect and the societal goal aspect ...Bruce Willis actually plays a cured Autistic in every movie he plays, well almost - the girl is the amalgamation of an autistic with the exact opposite.(the opposite is considered to be Hippie Syndrome)) --Oh the cure for the Autistic traits of civilsiation was showing it what it's like to be a singularity (ie be anihillated or start to LIVE instead of progressing to a common consumerist goal ,as highlighted by the overally party atmosphere atthe end of the movie ,,, and Bruce Willis is only really happy when he has found his life partner, which specifically has to have, HIS traits and yet be able to interact with the world outside of his wnated disposition)

Off topic:
(More on Bruce Willis movies) sesory stuff - whatch his facial expression, walking on glass, drinking, looking off a tall building, being in a crowded area, etc etc.
Affinity to be a Jack of all Trades - he seems to have a never ending skill set - which when as aspie figures out the logic to learning, starts to learn at a ridiculous pace, and should be able to pick up anything, almost like a matrix download - bacuse they have the 'LOGIC' for learning hardwired in thier brains. - soon other learnt abilities become hardwired.
Un-apreciated , yet willing to do for others nearly all the tim, yet knowing that he will be unappreciated (used)
-Odd facial expresions in particular social situations.
-Inability to look at eyes (except for Lilous of course!) -in that movie where he is the murderer living next door to the Frinds guy the girlfriend is Just a DOLL to him and you can see that he doesn;t like to use eye contact their either.
Compulsive urges and habits, smoking and I forget some others that he has done (alscohol) - i'm sure in Fifthe Element they highlighted it somewhere very subliminally.
-I am sure ther are many others. ---oh the screaming when he has to go through a pane of glass - sounds pretty autistic to me
--OH an the very fact that he has done two movies whic are obviously in to an Aspie - Mercury Rising, ^th Sense

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3. wathc Bruce Willis movies while smoking pot - you may see what I see,, and see the underlying equation.

4. My parents were content with what I was, they didnt have any ambitions for me,,, this is why I said that hter is somthing rotten in the state of the USA- for some reason you guys think that thier are losers and thier are winners - your child doesn't have to be a winner, he just has to have a life, and that life can include being a failure, a drug addict, a thief, a lawyer - it doesn't matter if your becomes a loser - as long as your content in the fact that you , while you are with your kid ,are A. teaching through example and B. enjoying it as much as possible on the good days and just coping on the bad ones C. every parent in america now-adays wants to get a degree in parenting before they even concieve ,geex in some state they are considering it to become law(hope not - you guys are the last bastian for freedom on this planet so please fight the AS negatives that keep pushing thier feellings)
Hypothesis: It would be interesting to note if China/Japan has a lower rate of Autistic progresion in thier society : I betya it's lower because the Asian tradition is not to be swayed by the common goal but to be content with your surrounds and cope with it (it's why they had Kamakazies ; which is not the same as a suicide bomber ; they are just very ingnorant drones living in a devoloped society (the society could be akin to an Atuisitc Child have advanced traits, and the suicide bomber being a trait that get's lost in the evolution of the child ,,eg. a simplistic trait like fine motor control))

5. Society especially western is going through Autism as a singularity. -consider your child as someone who has fit in to specific logical routnes better than anything else, and at the moment is 'stuck' playing with that trait, and not developing new ones.
Eg. Europe amongst the planet ; a balanced society this would be the beholder to the NT traits a child would posses
the US : obsession with wanting to discover new things (yet still being happy) the obsession your child may develop to either A. Fit in B. do his/her hobby (it all depends at what time they leanrt what - they may develop an obsesion with both)
Japan: Strick adherence to progress, usally in a single field: Your child hobby
China: The awakening of a giant to finally amalgamet the worlds qualities : your child at the age of 25 too late to learn anything new.

6. I probably could write a book - but I am not because I never learnt anything about sticking to one thing. (Like Bruce Willis's Character's)

Please take anything with a grain of salt - I have already offended many a parent in the last 3 days.... I am just figuring, and postulating out my input, with also the hope that my action will create the equal an opposite reaction : therfore allowing me to learn more (something some aspies learn to do very avidly therfore becoming the nusacne type of person if they have overcome difficulties when socialisng ie. the comedian)