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30 Apr 2007, 4:16 pm

well,thanks for the input.Watch out for carpel tunnel.....(thats my free advice :D )


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30 Apr 2007, 4:29 pm

Anytime, no problem.
I can't seem to keep my mind on anything long enough though.
Not a good day.

You may think i am giving Wolfpup a hard-time or that i have set myself as a guru for diagnosing AS from the fakers or something. But just trying to demonstrate that it does not really matter between self-diagnosis and a doctor diagnosing (so long as you know yself).
I think i failed.



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30 Apr 2007, 4:35 pm

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You need to read my post. There was no mention of invasion.
That's the sort of thing which makes me think you are not Aspergian.


Well somebody was going on about that we're being "infiltrated" or whatever. Maybe it wasn't you, I don't remember.

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Also wanting an official diagnosis.


Well that's how I am. I like knowing things for sure, 100%. If I have what I think and have learned, combined with an actual expert (someone who has experience with this), then I'll feel more confident about it. I like being sure about things.

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Anytime, no problem.
I can't seem to keep my mind on anything long enough though.
Not a good day.

You may think i am giving Wolfpup a hard-time or that i have set myself as a guru for diagnosing AS from the fakers or something. But just trying to demonstrate that it does not really matter between self-diagnosis and a doctor diagnosing (so long as you know yself).
I think i failed.


Well it DOES matter to some people. That doesn't mean anything as to whether they have it or not, it just means they want an expert opinion to bolster their own, not to mention the ability to say for sure about it.



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30 Apr 2007, 4:39 pm

I have not yet been diagnosed simply because the option was never presented to me It's like if your leg is broken...

if the bone is snapped, and you can feel it (are having trouble walking, or cannot move your leg at all due to it), does it mean that it isn't broken just because it isn't obvious to everyone until the doc says that it's official? The leg is broken either way-it's until the doc slaps a cast on it that everyone will keep saying "it might not be as bad as you think" or "you probably just twisted it wrong"... or, "we don't know for sure that it's broken until the doctor says so".



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30 Apr 2007, 4:44 pm

Well i have not read this whole thread, so don't know who mentioned infiltration.
I think there are a few fakers on here too; i do not really care though.

I do know about diagnosis, ( though not specifically aspergers: i have worked on image processing methods in diagnosing breast cancer). So, i can tell you that if you get an official diagnosis, you are not mathematically sure (100%.)
In fact, if you do the actual maths, then it will be nowhere near.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_m ... dical_test
(for the mathematically inclined)

What you must remember though is that it is not a 'disease' to be diagnosed.



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30 Apr 2007, 4:48 pm

Kosmonaut wrote:
Well i have not read this whole thread, so don't know who mentioned infiltration.
I think there are a few fakers on here too; i do not really care though.

I do know about diagnosis, ( though not specifically aspergers: i have worked on image processing methods in diagnosing breast cancer). So, i can tell you that if you get an official diagnosis, you are not mathematically sure (100%.)
In fact, if you do the actual maths, then it will be nowhere near.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayesian_m ... dical_test
(for the mathematically inclined)

What you must remember though is that it is not a 'disease' to be diagnosed.


I know, it's just for me I want the official diagnosis if I can. That isn't logical perhaps, but I want it. Like I said, it may have to do with having low self esteem, or possibly just that I like being 100% certain (or 99.9%...) before saying something major.



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30 Apr 2007, 4:52 pm

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I have not yet been diagnosed simply because the option was never presented to me It's like if your leg is broken...

if the bone is snapped, and you can feel it (are having trouble walking, or cannot move your leg at all due to it), does it mean that it isn't broken just because it isn't obvious to everyone until the doc says that it's official? The leg is broken either way-it's until the doc slaps a cast on it that everyone will keep saying "it might not be as bad as you think" or "you probably just twisted it wrong"... or, "we don't know for sure that it's broken until the doctor says so".


Well when i broke my leg i knew for sure, and if i had put weight on it the bone would have come through. I didn't need no doctor to tell me it was broken.



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30 Apr 2007, 4:52 pm

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Um.... Ok, well I'm gonna be Mexican because I have decided I would like to be mexican, despite my white skin and no knowledge of the Spanish language. Mexicans should be happy that I am willing to believe i am mexican. So now my opinions and thoughts can impact the way mexicans live, positively or negatively (most likely negatively since I don't REALLY understand what it's like to live as a mexican). What do I care, I only BELIEVE I am a mexican. I can make myself BELIEVE I risked my life crossing the border. And then I can imply the best way to make immigration easier for mexicans is to send them back to mexico for 10 yrs.

Do you see how this sounds? I don't mind if NTs or people with mental disorders post here, that's totally fine, not a problem. But they shouldn't claim to be something their not. If they think they might be Aspergian but aren't sure, they should make damn sure before they infiltrate an entire community or culture of people.


YEAH, I know how it sounds! STUPID! Why are you trying to sound stupid?

Frankly, if I DID speak with a mexican accent, look mexican, speak mexican spanish, have memories of mexico, etc... I might think I am mexican.

WOW, INFILTRATE! That's a really odd way of putting it.

BTW sending mexicans over to mexico DOES make it "easier"! Otherwise, they come here as undocumented ALIENS, and many will never even TRY to imigrate!

Is THAT your problem? You're an undocumented alien?

As for overstating "loner status", I guess you don't have too much trouble then. You have an AWFULLY big chip on your shoulder! You should do something about that before you poke a friends eye out.

Steve


No my words weren't stupid. Most people will get angry if you fake being part of their culture or community. Now I'm not neccessarily saying that YOU are doing this, but I do suspect some on here are. And when people who don't belong to a community fake like they do, theyr robbing that native community's people of their voice in their own community, not to mention their cultural identity.
It's not "strange" to point out that teens sometimes forsake the clique labels at highschool for psychiatric labels like ADHD, or Bi Polar? I'm not saying those disorders don't exist, but lotsa people who claim to have it are fake, and theyr mainly interested in bleeding pity off of society. It's no different with Aspergians, the only real difference is that we're only **precieved** to be a legit disorder rather than a healthy nuerological variation similar to how others have different genders, nationalities, skin colors, sexual orientations, etc.
Point is, most of NT society, if one of their organizations or something wanna learn about us, they come here to this board or one like it. When there are a bunch of people who aren't Aspergian but only pretend to be, they might say something on here that goes against the best benefit of our group simply because they don't know what it's like to really be an aspie. So there they are hijacking our community and steering it away from our best interests as a group.
Do you get what I am saying? I'm not trying to turn this into a major flame war, I am trying to discuss this with you in a civil manner. So don't get all defensive, if anyone has that right it's those of us who are definately Aspergian. And I for one am not getting that heated, I am just trying to discuss why it's not right to fake status in a community of people. Community, culture, whatever you wanna call it, it's not up for grabs for anyone who just happens to feel like being a part of it. Birth alone decides if your Aspergian or not.



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30 Apr 2007, 4:55 pm

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Like I said, it may have to do with having low self esteem, or possibly just that I like being 100% certain (or 99.9%...) before saying something major.


Like i said self-esteem is not the issue.
How sure was you in saying that i had mentioned infilatration ?
Or was that not something major ?



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30 Apr 2007, 5:00 pm

lol, I missed saying I meant that I don't need a doc to tell me I have this. I wouldn't mind getting a diagnosis, but it won't change much as I already know. I'm guessing that you understood that's what I meant. Bleh, forgive me, lol, I have a hell of a time reading responses, but yes, same as with your leg, I don't see where a diagnosis persay makes a big difference between self-diagnosis and doc diagnosis-it just emphasizes what you already know/knew, and makes it official for those who'd just like to hear it from a doc due to uncertainty... rofl, overthinking ftw-I just completely forgot where I was going with that, but am pretty sure I blabbed more than what was needed already XD Thank God for that spot on the wall, eh?



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30 Apr 2007, 5:03 pm

Kosmonaut wrote:
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Like I said, it may have to do with having low self esteem, or possibly just that I like being 100% certain (or 99.9%...) before saying something major.


Like i said self-esteem is not the issue.
How sure was you in saying that i had mentioned infilatration ?
Or was that not something major ?


Not something major. I'd never get out the door if I had to be 100% certain about absolutly everything.

To Snake-I pretty much agree with your last post, except I don't know where this is coming from that we're being infiltrated. Sure it could theoretically happen, but where's the proof? I don't see anyone saying anything weird. In fact the strangest thing I've seen on here today is this thread!



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30 Apr 2007, 5:03 pm

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All I can say is I find it funny that someone needs everyone to come to the same conclusion in the same way in order to feel valid about themselves. Especially when it comes to something as haphazard as Psychology and Psychiatry. Anyone who spends a week on this board and sees all the misdiagnosis that went on and still does would be hard put to accept these subjective observers as experts in the field. That's like saying a doctor feeling your broken leg can determine whether it needs just a cast or a pin and a cast simply by talking to you and looking at it without taking an xray. Neurologists are the only experts on neurological disorders and even they haven't looked at this enough to know for certain. That's why they say they are sure this is what you have, but if pressed (as in if pressed in a court case) they could not say it with 100% certainty. At this point, no one can, but someone who cannot even read a fMRI certainly can't and is making an "educated" guess at best.

You're also not recognizing all those on here who went for a diagnosis and were told they had it but not given an official DX because the Psych felt there was no need and no services, interventions or anything else to be gained by it. Most are told that when they are given the diagnosis. How do you think they feel after they pay money only to hear that? Yes, you have it and we can't do anything to help you. Have a nice day. I can't say there's any reason to go running out and spending your money to hear that unless you just want to have someone tell you that you aren't crazy and it really is your brain. If that's why they did it, glad it helped them out.

When I called the local Autism center here, I was told the last expert Psych, who by the way was a few years out of college herself, had gone into private practice and might decide to give me an official DX if I called and begged hard enough, but that she wouldn't accept any insurance and it would cost $1000 or more (she isn't on my list of approved Psychs either) and they told me that at my age there was nothing they could do for me in the way of interventions, services or anything else. Then, she told me I could drive an hour and a half to pay the same price and get the same thing, a DX and nothing else. Great. Not very encouraging. The answer would be different for someone worried about homework because there are interventions and services for that. In my case, unless I have co-morbids or need SSI, they will do it, but I will pay and to be honest, these so-called "experts" aren't too interested. It didn't exactly give me a warm fuzzy feeling.


MAN are you ever RIGHT! One person here spoke of how her neurologist showed her where her "Sylvian fissure" SHOULD have been! It WASN'T there! I was almost JEALOUS! She had ABSOLUTE empirical proof her brain was PHYSICALLY different! I'm sure she was happy about that, but I'm sure it didn't really matter. With all her failings, she had a lot of good strengths, and appears every bit aspie. And she seems happy and successfull even with the stress and problems.

GRANTED, I don't have such proof, and my strengths aren't as prominent, but my weaknesses aren't either. It IS a spectrum, afterall. If I take the time off, and pay the money, it will be for my benefit and comfort. Right now it just doesn't make sense. 8-( BTW somewhere around, there IS a cat scan of my brain. I wish I could have seen it. If I ever happen to go back to the area, or get too bored and remember, I STILL may. Wouldn't it be interesting if I ALSO had some malformation of a similar region? I wonder what snake would have to say. 8-( And would I STILL need an arbitrary decision?

It WOULD be funny if all the people fearing "infiltration" were found not to have it, and most self diagnosed were found to have it. Somehow, I don't think that is very unlikely.

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30 Apr 2007, 5:11 pm

That's what I was kind of wondering too...

When you said you have a CAT scan of your brain somewhere, I realized that I probably do too! And possibly an MRI. In high school they started running tests on me after I quit going to school for a year. (My mom had no idea what was going on with me.) They wouldn't have been looking for that abnormality.



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30 Apr 2007, 5:21 pm

I will agree to that, as I have stated earlier in this thread, it is a spectrum disorder, or more like a condition really. For higher functioning Aspergians I think the only true disorder lies in the fact that we're locked into the NT world set around THEIR strengths and weaknesses, and are largely isolated from other Aspergians.
But back to the point, there are some hard characteristics that are common throughout the spectrum on some level or another. Like making eye contact, not being able to socialise well the NT fashion, etc.
However I still stick to my guns, it's obvious whenever a disorder or "disorder" arises, tons of people jump on the cowboys-and-indians bandwagon. They pretend to be part of a "disabled" group to sooth whatever identity crisis they might be encountering. And they often proceed to use it to gain sympathy from people.
Now I am not insensitive to people going through identity crises, however, stealing a seat in someone else's community or culture is unnacceptable. They usually always choose disabled people because it's like a sub-conscious bullying game, they know disabled people usually aren't strong enough to stand up to it.
Point is though, if your not Aspergian, and your claiming to be Aspergian, claiming to speak from a 1st hand perspective, then your opinions on our issues are just plain invalid.
Steve, I do not know if your Aspergian or not, I don't know you on a personal basis. Maybe you are, maybe your not. Who knows?
A diagnosis doesn't always mean anything, some of the most Aspergian people on here aren't diagnosed. And, some who are diagnosed I often question, as you stated above, "professioanls" can be unreliable. They might dx someone with any random disorder they can exagerate "symptoms" to in order to sell pills or something that'll make them money.
However, I would say in general, the majority of people who aren't diagnosed are the most likely ones to be fisher price Aspergians.



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30 Apr 2007, 5:36 pm

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However I still stick to my guns, it's obvious whenever a disorder or "disorder" arises, tons of people jump on the cowboys-and-indians bandwagon. They pretend to be part of a "disabled" group to sooth whatever identity crisis they might be encountering. And they often proceed to use it to gain sympathy from people.


Does this actually happen on any widespread scale? I have no idea, but it seems like something th at would need to be backed up with evidence. Regardless, is it happening HERE? I don't see it.

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Now I am not insensitive to people going through identity crises, however, stealing a seat in someone else's community or culture is unnacceptable. They usually always choose disabled people because it's like a sub-conscious bullying game, they know disabled people usually aren't strong enough to stand up to it.
Point is though, if your not Aspergian, and your claiming to be Aspergian, claiming to speak from a 1st hand perspective, then your opinions on our issues are just plain invalid.


I agree, but is it happening here?

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However, I would say in general, the majority of people who aren't diagnosed are the most likely ones to be fisher price Aspergians.


And I think the people admitting they haven't been officially diagnosed, or aren't sure, are the LEAST likely to be pretending, if in fact anyone at all is.

I think I understand and agree with your concern, but I don't know that anything like that happens on a widespread basis, and doubt anything like that is happening here on an widespread basis.

Besides which, how many people even know about AS? I had never even heard of it until someone trained in this stuff (with an AS relative) said he thought I had it. I had never heard the word until then, so probably most other people have never heard of it either.



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30 Apr 2007, 5:56 pm

We all seem to have an innate sense about ourselves and our surroundings no matter how high or low functioning we may be. I am a currently self diagnosed aspie soon to be DX'd, yet I am not looking to say either way that self diagnosis is always acurate. Maybe some of us are depressed and loners and feel these are tell tale signs of Aspergers who knows...The point is those of us here are looking to commune and relate to people whom we feel are like us.

We are far more intelligent and empathetic than to turn away someone as I am sure we have all been turned away due to illogical thinking such that someone does not seem aspie or autisitc enough for this site. When you think about it wouldnt you say thoughts like those seem more Neurotypical than anything


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