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02 Apr 2020, 8:41 am

For what its worth I believe it has to do with personality type.

Supposedly I'm an INTP and Fnord is an ISTJ. But, not all of the qualities of the personality types will apply to all individuals though. These personality indicators to me are to simplistic in my opinion but they're the best we got and I don't know how accurate they are with those with autism.

With all that being said.

https://personalitygrowth.com/intp-and- ... iendships/

These are some of the issues here.



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02 Apr 2020, 8:43 am

It also really depends on the job. Accomodations cannot be made in every job of course.


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02 Apr 2020, 8:45 am

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I must say that unless someone has experienced a meltdown or burnout at work, or overstimulation/ hyper sensitivity as some of WP's members have, despite being extremely talented and competent at their jobs, they cannot judge those who have.
Been there, done that, wrote the chapter on it in the Employee's Handbook.
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It seems to be the norm rather than the exception to experience the difficulties cube is describing.
See previous response.
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A person on the spectrum who can function perfectly at work at all times and in all circumstances is blessed.
I wish I was like that.
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The aspies I know don't function in the same way as NT's in the workplace and have many difficulties.
Been there, done that, et cetera.
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The lucky ones have an empathetic, understanding employer.
Or they have rare and exceptional talents that are much in demand (maybe both). Have you ever personally met someone with a Master's degree in a managerial position who behaved like the quintessential aspie?  My co-workers have.


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02 Apr 2020, 8:47 am

:D I know Fnordy but you must know you are unusually resilient?


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02 Apr 2020, 8:50 am

Fnord, where's the proof of intent on my part. For me to lie I have to intentionally state something which was not true.

I did not intentionally state something which was not true.

Yet, you keep insisting I lied when I did not. So, what are the wrongplanet rules for trying to present me as a liar when I did not lie.



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02 Apr 2020, 8:59 am

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I know Fnordy but you must know you are unusually resilient?
I wasn't always resilient.  There was a time when I also expected employers to accommodate me, to listen to my complaints, and to take my side in every conflict.  After about the fourth dismissal in three years, it finally sunk in that employment is not all about me and what I want, but that at least half of it involves what employers expect from all employees, regardless of disabilities (known or unknown).  I stopped being conceited and became determined to adapt to the corporate culture, and I never gave up.

My last 'meltdown' was about 6 years ago, but upon review, it was shown that I had been triggered by an on-going situation with one co-worker that has since been resolved with his departure (not mine).

So, people can either take my advice and save themselves a lot of heartache and frustration, or they can find out for themselves what is necessary to hold down a job.  Again, employers can only do so much; the rest is up to the employees.


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02 Apr 2020, 9:03 am

2. Personal attacks.
This includes insinuation, ridicule and personal insults, regardless of whether direct or indirect. Attacking an opinion, belief or philosophy is acceptable, but attacking the person making the comments is not.

Here is the rule on personal attacks.

How exactly did I insinuate anything against you personally, ridicule or personally insult you Fnord? How exactly did I lie?

It's not insinuation, ridicule or a personal attack if I thought it was true. I personally believe metaphorically you expect us to kneel down and lick the employer's shoes and boots. That's my impression of the words you say on here about what we all should do with the employers.

If anything I'm attacking your opinions and beliefs not you. I didn't lie. I didn't trash you or ridicule you.



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02 Apr 2020, 9:55 am

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Sorry if my beliefs bother you, but I have a right to my beliefs just as you have a right to yours. You may say I am hypocritical, but I'm not going to support a political party when I agree with maybe 5 percent of their beliefs and disagree with the other 95 percent. I'd rather support the one I agree with 95 percent of the time. Liberals seem to care more about the illegals than the disabled anyway. And just to prove my point, some of the worst discrimination against me based on my disability has been perpetrated by those calling themselves liberals. And, sorry to say it, some people really are leeches. There are people who exaggerate and lie to cheat others. Others simply don't try because they are used to getting handouts. And as I work and try to find a job to support myself fully, I feel I am fully justified. Believe what you want about me or anything else, but don't try to change my mind. You will fail. You have your beliefs, I have mine. I love this site because it is supportive and is supposed to be accepting. If you can't accept people who see things differently, maybe you should stick to liberal only chat sites.


You're entitled to believe whatever you'd like to believe and support whatever you believe.

And I'm entitled to point out that what you support is hostile to your interests and that if you'd like to advance your interests you should probably shouldn't support causes hostile to those interests.

And I'm entitled to point out that you can't out-of-hand dismiss other people as leeches without the slightest consideration of their situation and an utter lack of empathy and then turn around and insist that you need accommodation and empathy. If you refuse to give consideration to other's situations before dismissing them as leeches why would anyone feel inclined to give your situation consideration?

You're arguing with Fnord that his understanding of the extent that accommodation is needed isn't going nearly far enough and that actually far more accommodation is needed. Clearly you can't care too much about that issue if you support people who would interpret things even more strictly than Fnord's understanding and make that interpretation the law of the land.

If you want a just society with empathy for those who might be disadvantaged in various ways, you can't also support a political ideology that's hostile to the notion of helping those who might require it. It's a glaring, obvious hypocrisy.

If all you want is 'i get taken care of because i'm special but everyone else can F.O.A.D.' then you don't have a serious enough perspective to bother engaging with.

Liberals are hostile to my interests when they take my hard earned money and give it to those who don't deserve. Go troll someone else. I don't care about what you or anyone else thinks.
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02 Apr 2020, 11:28 am

AspiePrincess611 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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Sorry if my beliefs bother you, but I have a right to my beliefs just as you have a right to yours. You may say I am hypocritical, but I'm not going to support a political party when I agree with maybe 5 percent of their beliefs and disagree with the other 95 percent. I'd rather support the one I agree with 95 percent of the time. Liberals seem to care more about the illegals than the disabled anyway. And just to prove my point, some of the worst discrimination against me based on my disability has been perpetrated by those calling themselves liberals. And, sorry to say it, some people really are leeches. There are people who exaggerate and lie to cheat others. Others simply don't try because they are used to getting handouts. And as I work and try to find a job to support myself fully, I feel I am fully justified. Believe what you want about me or anything else, but don't try to change my mind. You will fail. You have your beliefs, I have mine. I love this site because it is supportive and is supposed to be accepting. If you can't accept people who see things differently, maybe you should stick to liberal only chat sites.


You're entitled to believe whatever you'd like to believe and support whatever you believe.

And I'm entitled to point out that what you support is hostile to your interests and that if you'd like to advance your interests you should probably shouldn't support causes hostile to those interests.

And I'm entitled to point out that you can't out-of-hand dismiss other people as leeches without the slightest consideration of their situation and an utter lack of empathy and then turn around and insist that you need accommodation and empathy. If you refuse to give consideration to other's situations before dismissing them as leeches why would anyone feel inclined to give your situation consideration?

You're arguing with Fnord that his understanding of the extent that accommodation is needed isn't going nearly far enough and that actually far more accommodation is needed. Clearly you can't care too much about that issue if you support people who would interpret things even more strictly than Fnord's understanding and make that interpretation the law of the land.

If you want a just society with empathy for those who might be disadvantaged in various ways, you can't also support a political ideology that's hostile to the notion of helping those who might require it. It's a glaring, obvious hypocrisy.

If all you want is 'i get taken care of because i'm special but everyone else can F.O.A.D.' then you don't have a serious enough perspective to bother engaging with.

Liberals are hostile to my interests when they take my hard earned money and give it to those who don't deserve. Go troll someone else. I don't care about what you or anyone else thinks.
Bye Felecia.


I see what both of you are saying.

Here is my question to both of you.

How do we suss out who really does deserve it vs who does not? How do we determine who tried and who did not? How do we tell who really is disabled and needs help from the fakers?

You're against the fakers I assume?

Funeral, you see conservatives as taking away disability and SSDI from those who really need it? I do as well.

And, therein lies the problem. Aspieprincess wishes to work but has had major difficulty and feels as though she deserves disability and earned it. Am I correct? But, those who would defend it does not share most of your other beliefs and are repugnant to you? Is that correct Aspieprincess?

Funeral, you lean on the side who is more likely to defend your interests as in disability, SSDI and other services like Voc Rehab and ticket to work right?

I see both sides.



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Liberals are hostile to my interests when they take my hard earned money and give it to those who don't deserve...
Actually, I'm with you on this.  If a person can't earn a living, then they may need my (our) support; but if a person won't earn a living, then all they really need is a good swift kick in the butt, and I would be more than happy to give it to them.


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02 Apr 2020, 1:04 pm

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In answer to this question, I’d have to say a definitive “No”! BUT, employment is so very hard won! By that I mean, we can have worked ourselves to the bone, have invested ourselves in our professions and given our heart & souls, and still have to contend with issues like “burnout” in the extreme, even though we may love our chosen fields. Sooner or late, no matter how much we might love what we choose to do, it seems to catch up with us. Correct me if you disagree please, but I am someone who has a passion for working with those on the spectrum, am someone on the spectrum, but still have to face it, that if I don’t take breaks, my health suffers very badly.



This is the point I have been trying to make. Jules hope you are doing well :heart:


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02 Apr 2020, 1:14 pm

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I see what both of you are saying.

Here is my question to both of you.

How do we suss out who really does deserve it vs who does not? How do we determine who tried and who did not? How do we tell who really is disabled and needs help from the fakers?

You're against the fakers I assume?

Funeral, you see conservatives as taking away disability and SSDI from those who really need it? I do as well.

And, therein lies the problem. Aspieprincess wishes to work but has had major difficulty and feels as though she deserves disability and earned it. Am I correct? But, those who would defend it does not share most of your other beliefs and are repugnant to you? Is that correct Aspieprincess?

Funeral, you lean on the side who is more likely to defend your interests as in disability, SSDI and other services like Voc Rehab and ticket to work right?

I see both sides.


What exactly are you asking me? I believe I've already clearly stated my position.


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02 Apr 2020, 2:54 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
cubedemon6073 wrote:

I see what both of you are saying.

Here is my question to both of you.

How do we suss out who really does deserve it vs who does not? How do we determine who tried and who did not? How do we tell who really is disabled and needs help from the fakers?

You're against the fakers I assume?

Funeral, you see conservatives as taking away disability and SSDI from those who really need it? I do as well.

And, therein lies the problem. Aspieprincess wishes to work but has had major difficulty and feels as though she deserves disability and earned it. Am I correct? But, those who would defend it does not share most of your other beliefs and are repugnant to you? Is that correct Aspieprincess?

Funeral, you lean on the side who is more likely to defend your interests as in disability, SSDI and other services like Voc Rehab and ticket to work right?

I see both sides.


What exactly are you asking me? I believe I've already clearly stated my position.


Never mind



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02 Apr 2020, 3:07 pm

Employment is a codependent relationship. Employers take and take and demand more and more and the employee is expected to give and give. When is enough enough? When do employees get to look out after their own interests without being considered entitled? Why do we owe employers our soul but they owe us nothing?

We can do everything Fnord suggests and still lose. Many ppl have. Employers don't have our interests at heart but only theirs.

Let me ask you all this. What if employers started requiring one to be sex slaves? Would the ppl go for it? Maybe not now but overtime little by little I believe yes they would.

When does it stop? When does the employee get to have his boundaries? Does the emploee have to pledge his eternal soul to the employer in the future?

Point is there comes a point in which one has to draw a line in the sand and say NO! People are sheep!



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02 Apr 2020, 3:39 pm

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Liberals are hostile to my interests when they take my hard earned money and give it to those who don't deserve...
Actually, I'm with you on this.  If a person can't earn a living, then they may need my (our) support; but if a person won't earn a living, then all they really need is a good swift kick in the butt, and I would be more than happy to give it to them.

There you go! well said! :lol:


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02 Apr 2020, 3:47 pm

What I'm saying is that one of the main lines of reasoning that conservatives use to attack social safety net type programs is to suggest that the people making use of them are just lazy and malingering. Additionally that conservatives are often against mandating that workplaces have policies for accommodating those who have disabilities.

My one point was that this is a problem because it attacks both potential options that disabled people have to secure an income.

My second point was that it's hypocritical for someone to insist that they should qualify but that others are definitely malingering. This is an unfair assumption and only leads to policies harmful to the interests of everyone who suffers from some form of disability.


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