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22 Jan 2021, 10:28 am

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Alt-right won't be popular for a while I think. America's the biggest country in the world, the average type of people to go alt-right get embarrassed by anything 'cringe' and the protestors at the capitol were very cringey...


I think the actor Will Smith said racism hasn't changed, it's just being filmed. That about sums up the George Floyd incident, alt-right marches, militia and the rise in Karens. The widespread use of mobile devices filming/uploading high definition clips now clearly identify alt-right perpatrators.

These clowns have always existed, They also exist in other western countries.


Really sadly, I think some people don't care about being seen as nasty.

They kind of enjoy it. It's a power kick.

But when there's filmed evidence of them looking 'cringey', they mind that.

It's something that is hard for autistic people (and for intelligent, nice NT people like you) to really wrap our heads around. We don't care enough about 'cool' to get it.

In Stranger Things there's a scene where a school bully - who knew he was seen as horrible and who didn't care about that - is made to pee himself through the power of mind control. Cringey and embarrassing for him. It's like that. Except this time they brought it on themselves.

I think this will put off people, esp young people, who might have joined Neo-Nazi gangs in an attempt to be cool and powerful and because they didn't like minorities. It used to be that the cringey nature of 'SJWs' put people being of 'SJW'. Same cringe thing will now be in effect in reverse.

Real racists will probably just shift. Find new ways to say the same stuff. That's how they are still around: after all, Nazis and KKK are not just dangerous but also ridiculous.


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22 Jan 2021, 10:33 am

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It involves moral superiority, sanctimony, self-righteousness.
It is used as a weapon of psychological intimidation and is usually coupled with groupthink mob-ruling.
It is a "Look at me, look at me, I am better than you" syndrome.
How can that be anything other than bad? :scratch:


If you think someone is doing it just for the sake of it and doesn't believe in it, call them a hypocrite.

In my experience people don't tend to know.

People who are virtuous are better than those who aren't. That's what virtue means. And why we argue about what is virtuous and what isn't.

Again: it strikes me as like an NT kid saying to another kid 'quit being such a goody goody'.

If you think they're being virtuous, copy their example.

If you don't, criticise their 'virtue'.


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22 Jan 2021, 10:36 am

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It involves moral superiority, sanctimony, self-righteousness.
It is used as a weapon of psychological intimidation and is usually coupled with groupthink mob-ruling.
It is a "Look at me, look at me, I am better than you" syndrome.
How can that be anything other than bad? :scratch:

The discrepancy might come down to definition. I see virtue signalling as literally someone signalling their virtue without any of the other stuff you mentioned. Rather than "Look at me, look at me, I am better than you" I'd say it was "I'm better than some people so please think of me positively". Like people using "SWJ" as an insult, how can fighting for justice be a bad thing?


Exactly.

I've been called a virtue signaller just for having different POVs to other people.

I do it from a good place not from a look at me place.


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22 Jan 2021, 10:39 am

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Some take it too far like there being 76 different genders or the HAES stuff or if you want to be an ally to those with disabilities and mental illnesses, you have to include those with cluster B. Yeah no, I am not going to deal with someone being manipulative and controlling and engaging in gaslighting and I have been around BPD before and narcissism. Just no.

And they want to pretend that everyone with a mental illness are all angels but I wonder how they would feel about Diane Downs or Jeffery Dahmer or Ted Bundy, all these people had diagnosed mental conditions like NPD and Dahmer had BPD and he also had ASPD, same as the other two killers.

Yes it's rare for those with a mental illness to commit violent crimes and most people with ASPD do not commit violent crimes and kill people but these people were in the minority.



The question should be how woke should we be and how far shall we take and where does it stop? There are woke cringes out there.


1 I don't care what is cringey or not because I'm not an NT Cool Dude type.

2 The 75 gender thing is a straw man. The actual argument is that gender is on a spectrum. As soon as one recognises the difference between sex and gender, this becomes obvious.

3 It's not actually that hard to say 'they' if someone asks you to.


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22 Jan 2021, 10:42 am

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The colour demographic benefited in some ways, under the trump administration.
He supported Israel.
Pretty poor qualification for a racist.


Israel is not just a racist theocracy, it practices apartheid.



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22 Jan 2021, 10:58 am

Turning words into a pejorative is just a way to create an ad hominem fallacy and deflect the conversation away from the issue. Part of that fallacy is creating the perception of hypocrisy of the person that cares about certain issues. Ultimately, the argument is coming down to the speaker using this approach just does want others to do something the speaker does not like. It also gives the speaker a false sense of superiority as they don't need to to actually provide an argument against the issue. It is simply a rhetorical tactic to shut down discussion.



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22 Jan 2021, 11:01 am

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Israel is not just a racist theocracy, it practices apartheid.
Thus, supporting Israel makes someone a racist-by-proxy -- a supporter of racism.


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22 Jan 2021, 11:03 am

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Israel is not just a racist theocracy, it practices apartheid.
Thus, supporting Israel makes someone a racist-by-proxy -- a supporter of racism.

Which American administration did not support Israel?


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22 Jan 2021, 11:15 am

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Israel is not just a racist theocracy, it practices apartheid.
Thus, supporting Israel makes someone a racist-by-proxy -- a supporter of racism.

Which American administration did not support Israel?

None. Israel is an Anglo-American base in the oilfields.



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22 Jan 2021, 11:27 am

magz wrote:
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Israel is not just a racist theocracy, it practices apartheid.
Thus, supporting Israel makes someone a racist-by-proxy -- a supporter of racism.

Which American administration did not support Israel?


Every administration has supported Israel. But some also supported the Palestinian to greater degrees.



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22 Jan 2021, 12:43 pm

KT67 wrote:
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how can fighting for justice be a bad thing?


Some take it too far like there being 76 different genders or the HAES stuff or if you want to be an ally to those with disabilities and mental illnesses, you have to include those with cluster B. Yeah no, I am not going to deal with someone being manipulative and controlling and engaging in gaslighting and I have been around BPD before and narcissism. Just no.

And they want to pretend that everyone with a mental illness are all angels but I wonder how they would feel about Diane Downs or Jeffery Dahmer or Ted Bundy, all these people had diagnosed mental conditions like NPD and Dahmer had BPD and he also had ASPD, same as the other two killers.

Yes it's rare for those with a mental illness to commit violent crimes and most people with ASPD do not commit violent crimes and kill people but these people were in the minority.



The question should be how woke should we be and how far shall we take and where does it stop? There are woke cringes out there.


1 I don't care what is cringey or not because I'm not an NT Cool Dude type.

2 The 75 gender thing is a straw man. The actual argument is that gender is on a spectrum. As soon as one recognises the difference between sex and gender, this becomes obvious.

3 It's not actually that hard to say 'they' if someone asks you to.



Wait, the 76 genders thing was a lie the whole time? I have literally seen people say this. Maybe they were just Tumblr trolls to hurt the LGBT. :shrugs:

Is autismgender also a made up right wing troll thing too?


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