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22 Oct 2007, 12:43 pm

I remind you, jjstar, that you don't believe in the peer-reviewed literature - so why are you citing it again? Would you care to explain why you keep switching back and forth between saying it's evil and unreliable and citing it or citing sources that claim to be based on it? You said what i posted on appendectomy pacients making a full recovery was a lie; as you can see for yourself, Parker et al say exactly the same. So are they lying or not? If they are, why do you cite them as evidence? If not, then I was right about appendetcomy. Or is it a lie only if and when they disagree with you? Aspies have a reputatoion for being logical, but oviously there are exceptions.



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22 Oct 2007, 1:07 pm

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PCBOLL wrote - "The appendix is not 'vital." among other out-dated fallacies - new studies at Duke University, published just a few days ago are proving that not only is the appendix necessary it's VITAL to the overall health of the human organism. So maybe you just really need to re-examine everything you've been taught PCBOLL because frankly you're sinking fast.


jjstar, do you have a dictionary? you might want to look up 'vital' and 'useful.' You will find that they are not the same. And to quote your own post:

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"Modern medical care and sanitation practices have pretty much rendered the function of the appendix obsolete," he said.


Now, is it just me, or is 'pretty much obsolete' not the same as 'vital'? Now, I would rather have the not-entirely-useless-but-rather obsolete-appendix taken out than die of appendicits, were I to get it.
It just goes to show how careful jjstar is about sources - she doesn't eve read what she copies and pastes.


I highly doubt you read the article, because if you did and had the minimal reading comprehension you would have found the answers to your own questions! The function of the appendix is VITAL according to the findings of Duke researchers. It's really not so hard to find where this is stated. So instead of looking to fight with someone, use some of that superfluous energy in actually getting an education. Let me know when you read the article in its entirety. Then you can look for other data supporting these findings on the web, should you wish, then you can formulate an opinion. But right now? You don't stand a chance with what ya got. :wink:


Now, I'm quoting the following from the actual paper:

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If indeed the appendix has an important function, the fact that the human
appendix is frequently removed during surgery might be of concern. However, to the
extent that the primary function of the appendix is the one proposed herein, it might be
argued that the human appendix is not important in industrialized countries with modern
medical care and sanitation practices. Indeed, maintenance of a reserve supply of
commensal bacteria in the event of infection by pathogens may be unnecessary in areas
where outbreaks of enteric pathogens do not affect the vast majority of the population at
any one time. Certainly this idea is consistent with the well-known observation that
appendectomy is without currently discernable long–term side effects in societies with
modern medical and sanitation practices.


In other words, it is not VITAL, as in 'Necessary to the continuation of life; life-sustaining: a vital organ; vital nutrients. ' (American Heritage Dictionary). I just love it when conspiracy theorists are condemned by their own sources.


I'm sure if we were still living in the early 20th century you'd be on the forefront in advocating frontal lobotomies in cases of manic depression, am I right? Because after it's all said and done, who really needs that pesky frontal lobe? Feh! All those bothersome organs and glands are too much trouble to maintain so out, out, out with them! Cut, splice and eradicate! Schnell! Everything is just there for decoration and to fill empty spaces. Don't need this tonsil (toss!) don't need that ear (toss!).

Now if the body's own anti-biotic system is seen in your eyes as being superfluous, who am I to take that away from you? Enjoy!


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22 Oct 2007, 1:18 pm

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I remind you, jjstar, that you don't believe in the peer-reviewed literature - so why are you citing it again? Would you care to explain why you keep switching back and forth between saying it's evil and unreliable and citing it or citing sources that claim to be based on it? You said what i posted on appendectomy pacients making a full recovery was a lie; as you can see for yourself, Parker et al say exactly the same. So are they lying or not? If they are, why do you cite them as evidence? If not, then I was right about appendetcomy. Or is it a lie only if and when they disagree with you? Aspies have a reputatoion for being logical, but oviously there are exceptions.


Great question. I only cite them when they start matching up with the truth. In 99.9% cases it's all conjecture. Every now and then they *hit* on something that's relative - and that's when I'll cite these sources. It's not to say that they're all 100% accurate - but it's a start in the right direction and it's also something the masses can ingest and comprehend without too much backwash.


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22 Oct 2007, 1:19 pm

I quote again: 'appendectomy is without currently discernable long–term side effects in societies with
modern medical and sanitation practices'. Rather different from lobotomy, I would say. You can live just as before the appendectomy, which was never the case with lobotomy. 'the human appendix is not important' sounds pretty non-vital to me. Not to mention that appendicitis without surgery is lethal. But tell me, do you believe in the peer-reviewed literature or not?
I remind you of what you posted earlier:

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Oh *studies* - them. The very ones where they splice open mice and cats and try out all kinds of Frankensteinian experiments hoping to hit on *something - anything*? Those studies? The ones where they can't even figure out WHAT AUTISM IS? Oh ~those~ studies. Yeah. Tell me about them.....


So why are you now citing a something by scientists, in a peer-reviewed mainstream-science journal? When did you switch to believing them? Do you switch every other post? Or do you just believe studies when they suit you (along the lines of 'if i can find anything to back up what i'm saying, so much the better; if not, i'll just rant about conspiracies by those evil scientists')?
I realise you don't have much of an attention span (by your own admission, you can't read long posts), but may I remind you of all the other bits of evidence you have not addressed (life expectancy where modern medicine is commonplace, rapidly rising rates of autism in places where thimerosal has been phased out, etc)



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22 Oct 2007, 1:24 pm

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Great question. I only cite them when they start matching up with the truth.


As defined by whom? By you, who possesses the Truth, as you claim? In other words, if a peer-reviewed article vaguely says anything you already believe, then the article must be true; if not, it's part of a conspiracy. Another case of 'it's true because i say it is.' If you actually cared about examining evidence, you might care to address the facts I mentioned, if the post is not so long as to be beyond your ability to read.



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22 Oct 2007, 1:35 pm

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Great question. I only cite them when they start matching up with the truth.


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As defined by whom? By you, who possesses the Truth, as you claim?


Pretty much.

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In other words, if a peer-reviewed article vaguely says anything you already believe, then the article must be true; if not, it's part of a conspiracy
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First part of that statement is true - but it's not a *conspiracy*. It's a fallacy and with respect to laws - physical, metaphysical, mathematical, etc. can be outright lies and even malicious and purposeful twisted truths in order to lead people astray and away from their true Selves and power.

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Another case of 'it's true because i say it is.' If you actually cared about examining evidence, you might care to address the facts I mentioned, if the post is not so long as to be beyond your ability to read.


I will try to find what you are referring to if it's not too buried in a lot of words.


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22 Oct 2007, 1:40 pm

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Who's *we*? When infant mortality rates in the US are through the roof, the malpractices of doctors in the American health care system kills more people than any other cause (the young and the old) and the influx of diseases which keep cropping up that have no cure killing off 100,000's every year - resiliant bacteria, super viruses and a whole slew of cancers and disorders - none which are even treatable.


Actually, a better description is "resistant" bacteria (you misspelled "resilient" by the way). Resistant to what? Why, to antibiotics. If you're so dead-set against antibiotics, why do you care about drug-resistant bacteria? And yes, that is an acknowledged problem. But it's only a problem if you're invested in our ability to kill bacteria with antibiotics, which apparently you aren't. I doubt bacterial resistance to antibiotics affects the efficacy of Chi massage.


Another genius at work taking the role of spelling police without anything useful to add to this discussion accept for bitchiness. Why I care about anything - this or other matters is of zero importance to you and you're just looking to be confrontational which is something I drop like a hot potato. It's like putting your head in a sick bed. No thanks.


Actually, if you actually read my whole post you'd see that the spelling error was just a side note (hence it was in parentheses and only used 6 words). Try reading the rest of the post and responding to it.



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22 Oct 2007, 1:43 pm

If you're referring to this -

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(life expectancy where modern medicine is commonplace, rapidly rising rates of autism in places where thimerosal has been phased out, etc)


then genetics. That's all. It is an individual genetic mark-up, patterning, composite that each one is born with, including the length of life, inherited illnesses/strengths (incuding immunity). There is nothing random in this - but well designed and orderly in its purpose. It is an allotment. So - while the mercury poisoning of millions of children is underway - not every single child will in fact become ill, and not every single adult will die of accumulative toxicity because there is a pre-program within them that determines their resilience to this most lethal poison.


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22 Oct 2007, 1:46 pm

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people with an appendix removed lead perfectly normal lives, once they recover from surgery they can eat, exercise, etc as before. The appendix is not 'vital.' With appendicitis, if the appendix is not removed, the pacient does not survive beyond a few days. It does not heal itself, it does not heal with 'wquantum crystals, water (sorry, homeopathy), or any other placebos.


Can I second this? I was only days from death due to massive infection in my abdomen from an untreated ruptured appendix. A month of hospitalization, a boatload of antibiotics plus a couple of surgical procedures, and a few months later, I was hiking in the Adirondacks with my Girl Scout troop. Thanks to all the doctors who worked so hard to save my life, I am now perfectly healthy. In fact, I rarely get sick at all.



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22 Oct 2007, 1:47 pm

LostInSpace wrote:
jjstar wrote:
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Who's *we*? When infant mortality rates in the US are through the roof, the malpractices of doctors in the American health care system kills more people than any other cause (the young and the old) and the influx of diseases which keep cropping up that have no cure killing off 100,000's every year - resiliant bacteria, super viruses and a whole slew of cancers and disorders - none which are even treatable.


Actually, a better description is "resistant" bacteria (you misspelled "resilient" by the way). Resistant to what? Why, to antibiotics. If you're so dead-set against antibiotics, why do you care about drug-resistant bacteria? And yes, that is an acknowledged problem. But it's only a problem if you're invested in our ability to kill bacteria with antibiotics, which apparently you aren't. I doubt bacterial resistance to antibiotics affects the efficacy of Chi massage.


Another genius at work taking the role of spelling police without anything useful to add to this discussion accept for bitchiness. Why I care about anything - this or other matters is of zero importance to you and you're just looking to be confrontational which is something I drop like a hot potato. It's like putting your head in a sick bed. No thanks.


Actually, if you actually read my whole post you'd see that the spelling error was just a side note (hence it was in parentheses and only used 6 words). Try reading the rest of the post and responding to it.


Just for the record, it's really rude to point out spelling errors on a forum. It's just bad manners.


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22 Oct 2007, 1:52 pm

jjstar wrote:
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people with an appendix removed lead perfectly normal lives, once they recover from surgery they can eat, exercise, etc as before. The appendix is not 'vital.' With appendicitis, if the appendix is not removed, the pacient does not survive beyond a few days. It does not heal itself, it does not heal with 'wquantum crystals, water (sorry, homeopathy), or any other placebos.


Have you had your appendix removed? Yes/no? Until you actually EXPERIENCED first hand the ailment and the remedy you have absolutely zero knowledge of what the patient experienced. So-called studies don't cut it. You either know the metaphysics of the situation - or you refrain from commenting until you are able to 100% empathize with the suffering (before and after) of an appendicitis sufferer. The last thing the world needs is more conjecturing.


I have. My appendicitis went untreated for a week. My appendix ruptured, my abdominal lining itself became infected (peritonitis- a very dangerous disease), and a pus-filled abscess developed behind my liver. Fluid was leaking from my blood vessels into my abdomen, resulting in extreme dehydration and loss of electrolytes. Oh, and I puked up everything I ate for days and had uncontrolled diarrhea all over the house (I had to carry around a towel to sit on). By the time I got to the hospital, I was having trouble answering simple questions like "What is 2 plus 2?". Apologies to those with sensitive stomachs, but I thought it was important to share all the gory details. Sounds nice, doesn't it? I felt much better after I got into the hospital and got some actual treatment, which I would have died without. I consider myself 100% cured of that illness.



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22 Oct 2007, 1:58 pm

LostInSpace wrote:
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people with an appendix removed lead perfectly normal lives, once they recover from surgery they can eat, exercise, etc as before. The appendix is not 'vital.' With appendicitis, if the appendix is not removed, the pacient does not survive beyond a few days. It does not heal itself, it does not heal with 'wquantum crystals, water (sorry, homeopathy), or any other placebos.


Can I second this? I was only days from death due to massive infection in my abdomen from an untreated ruptured appendix. A month of hospitalization, a boatload of antibiotics plus a couple of surgical procedures, and a few months later, I was hiking in the Adirondacks with my Girl Scout troop. Thanks to all the doctors who worked so hard to save my life, I am now perfectly healthy. In fact, I rarely get sick at all.


There are SO many factors in healing - that it would take volumes to underline each one and expand on their roles. By matter of deduction I will offer that it's not the anti-biotics and it's not the doctors (though they possibly be conduits of healing) but it's YOU. It's your own innate ability to heal, because you have every single resource needed to do just that inside your DNA, compactly and ingeniously encoded. Doctors, drugs - alleviated the symptoms - but it was ultimately by design that you re-covered.


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22 Oct 2007, 2:10 pm

The design was just flawed enough to fail at fighting of the disease, which required modern medical interventions like surgery and antibiotics. It was indeed the body that accommodated the final healing, once the cause of the disease was taken away, cured by modern medical treatment without which LostInSpace's body would not have had a chance to heal.



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22 Oct 2007, 2:13 pm

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1 - After telling you that doctors do not CURE anything you told me about your own personal story.
No, I mentioned that my father credited his life to the system that you were deriding.

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but because I know how these things are in the medical community go
This seems incorrect.

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- they merely can *hope for the best* and write a prescription. That is all.
My own experiences reflect the opposite. In fact, I have generally found them to be excessively thorough. I have found good professional care to be quite worth the extra time and money. Unfortunately, though, being an imbecile is no bar to practicing medicine, so there is a certain population of "prescription-writers" out there. There is no law, however, that requires you to be cheap.

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2 - I maintain my POV and belief that mercury in vaccines - is harmful and should be abolished for the detrimental effects it has on human beings.
I do not take issue with this being your "POV." Your use of the term, "belief," however, is telling. Christians have beliefs, too, you know. When they know that their belief is false and lack the moral backbone to say as much, they call it "faith."

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That is what this thread is about and what you have been fighting me since I began it yesterday
No. What I take objection to is your use of extremely dubious sources to support your propaganda, needless to say completely ignoring people when they attempt to explain to you the difference between one compound and another; for example, you're using videos regarding the effects of elemental mercury on brain tissue to prove a point about ethylmercury. I consider this behavior immoral.

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You have your opinion
I will tell you my opinions on the mercury poisoning theory when I'm am ready to do so.

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- fine - this is mine and I'm sticking to it.
It is obvious that you are unwilling to be influenced by reason. This is why I have contempt for you.

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3 - Whatever drama you're attempting to pull me into with AS *circles* - I have no interest in what-so-ever. End of story.
Apparently. Your disrespect for our values is abundantly obvious.

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Some people seem to have real issues with the truth unless it's their own version of it
As you demonstrate rather well.

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and they'll use all sorts of manipulations to stop infiltrating their comfort zone in La La Land.
1) We're Aspies. You couldn't teach us to be manipulative.

2) I don't have a comfort zone.

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That ought to make all the difference in the world to you and keep the status quo going
I'm a progressive liberal, like any sane human being.



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22 Oct 2007, 2:21 pm

jjstar wrote:
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pbcoll wrote:
people with an appendix removed lead perfectly normal lives, once they recover from surgery they can eat, exercise, etc as before. The appendix is not 'vital.' With appendicitis, if the appendix is not removed, the pacient does not survive beyond a few days. It does not heal itself, it does not heal with 'wquantum crystals, water (sorry, homeopathy), or any other placebos.


Can I second this? I was only days from death due to massive infection in my abdomen from an untreated ruptured appendix. A month of hospitalization, a boatload of antibiotics plus a couple of surgical procedures, and a few months later, I was hiking in the Adirondacks with my Girl Scout troop. Thanks to all the doctors who worked so hard to save my life, I am now perfectly healthy. In fact, I rarely get sick at all.


There are SO many factors in healing - that it would take volumes to underline each one and expand on their roles. By matter of deduction I will offer that it's not the anti-biotics and it's not the doctors (though they possibly be conduits of healing) but it's YOU. It's your own innate ability to heal, because you have every single resource needed to do just that inside your DNA, compactly and ingeniously encoded. Doctors, drugs - alleviated the symptoms - but it was ultimately by design that you re-covered.


No offense, but have you ever actually had an acute life-threatening illness? You get so sick that you're not even yourself anymore. We have a picture of me right before entering the hospital, and I just have this blank, slack look on my face. It's amazingly easy to lose yourself at that point. I doubt I could have implemented any kind of healing process that requires any kind of mental process, like visualization or whatever else you might suggest. And I got really sick, really fast too. Like, the day after the pain started I was going downhill fast. I would not have healed myself without medical care- there is no doubt in my mind. I would have died, and that is not in question. Sure, my body did the healing, but as someone else said, it was after the doctors had cleaned up the mess my body had become.



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22 Oct 2007, 3:31 pm

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I understand if you don't believe in God because of what man did to the Bible,
This is inaccurate, actually. I just consider the idea in itself unsupportable. It is, you know ;).

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but please don't mock my beliefs. I'm not stupid because I'm Christian.
I don't think that I implied as much. What I raised questions over was the moral acceptability of these people's actions. You would be less likely to be conflated with them, however, if you wouldn't leave it up to atheists and agnostics to denounce their highly questionable theology and their remarkably immoral behavior. We're rather tired of memorizing your Scriptures to fend off these lunatics, so grow some balls for us, okay?

I mean, holy s**t, this guy isn't stupid. He's a radiologist. He should know better. Think, man. Just think.