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14 Dec 2007, 3:37 am

I have an idea for a cartoon...

First frame, angry mob. Caption, "2008 America."
The mob hold up banners and loudly cry "Cure Autism Now! Cure Autism Now!"

Second frame, almost the same as the first. Caption, "1938 Germany."
The mob hold up banners and loudly cry, "Cure Judaism Now! Cure Judaism Now!"

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What? It's a cartoon!

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14 Dec 2007, 4:37 am

Beau, Archdude and Zara

Another member of the Autism Speaks forum was PMed by "Sammy". It's definitely Best. The member concerned had to switch of their PM's to prevent any more abuse. The man's as mad as a hatter, but equally he is dangerously clever. I don't call him a meglomaniac for nothing.

Mind you, Zara, he could be Pegasus as well! I'm not fobbing that off. And Beau, the AS forum is easy to rejoin under a new user name. I could do multiples if I wanted to. Droopy apparently already has.



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14 Dec 2007, 6:30 am

Some people on AFF have had dealings with foresam and are almost unanimous in denouncing him as a dangerous fool.


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14 Dec 2007, 8:35 am

TLPG, i think we are of one mind on this. if you PM me nxt time you're online, I tell you, what he's been up to lately IRL, as well as what his victims have been doing to fight back. "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good aspies to do nothing"


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14 Dec 2007, 9:41 am

BTW, the first law of internet forums "When someone tells you they are a purple elephant, married to a white gazelle - They aren't" [Well, not often]. [I'm a blue tiger, if you need know]


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14 Dec 2007, 5:01 pm

Are you sure you aren't a blue kangaroo, Zara?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's the point - you never know!



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14 Dec 2007, 5:08 pm

OK, it's time to come clean, I'm Woody Allen's peekenese. YAP!YAP! "Autism Speaks - It's Time To Flame" [Let's keep it OT]. And where's basshead lately? Spending a lot of time "OverThere". Someone go rescue him. Foresam's just offered to Chelate him. (Sorry, I miss-read, it was castrate)


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14 Dec 2007, 5:39 pm

Zarathustra wrote:
Analysing the text style of pegasus and foresam i would bet my _____ they are one. i have no doubt at all. Sammy also seems to have identical views to foresam but I'm not so sure about the text style.

How's it going Mr. Z? :D

Personally, I'm positive that Sammy is Fore Sam aka John Best Jr.

Best has just adopted a style of very deliberate misspellings and formatting errors to try to cover who he is.

Best and Handley always tip their hands eventually when they adopt a new sock puppet ID because they revert to using the very same themes for their posts and insults. Their themes are like fingerprints.

Sammy is from New Hampshire, loves Best's blog, loves Andy Cutler's chelation protocol (this is not that common among the biomed parents). "Sammy's" spelling problems come and go. If you look at his first posts they were normal, then the spelling went all haywire, and recently it was good again when he was trying to get a new mom to try something or other biomed. It's quite transparent, to me.... there's more evidence, too, that they are the same person. Not the least is that his Best's son's name is Sam.

anyway.... just wanted to say 'Hi' and it's nice to see more spectrum people on the Autism Speaks board. I think if you join and try to engage in polite conversation over there, try not to get too into it with the local harpies, that is try to ignore their passive aggressive attacks, it will help with people there learn not to despise autistics.

I get a different vibe off of Pegasus... he could be John but I'm thinking it's more likely that he's the wikipedia editor known as "omnbudsman"... other than than that I don't know.



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14 Dec 2007, 5:47 pm

Thanks, Diva - I was trying to keep your name out of it but you admitted it yourself. Nice to see you here as well!



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14 Dec 2007, 6:26 pm

Interesting... Pegasus came to my attention, when I started looking out for people trawling for information about autistic\'s dx\'s and medical histories. Although \"Foresam\" s style is generally \"ranty\", occasionally he can write lucidly. I will look at this ombidudes work. But I defer to your greater experience...


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14 Dec 2007, 6:53 pm

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Autism Speaks...We think that all children with autism are handicapped ret*ds, who should be abused.


Okay, that's a bit harsh. I spent a lot of the day there and here and talked with a lot of folks. I think a lot of the people on the boards are pretty cool. I mean, they believe what they believe, but are mostly just looking for ways to make things better.

Now, the people behind Autism Speaks? Something definitely wrong with them. I think we should start clarifying these things.


Good to hear. Quite a few parents have left the AS forum b/c they say it is too ND leaning - too many people criticizing the very organization that hosts the board. I've been a member there since the board was put up last summer, for the very reason that I value the ND philosophy and I think it deserves to be introduced to cure-oriented parents, little by little. The AS site is pretty diverse, actually. The only place I know where people from quite a few various perspectives come to discuss the issues (and often clash.) It's got a village square feel to it. The membership on the AS forum is very differnt than the AS organizing body.

That said, even the cure-oriented parents seem to me to be quite reasonable and open to discussion, at least. Course, YMMV. But if you throw out a few of the extremists, who all sound like John Beast clones, you'll find many parents who are interested in talking. They all don't agree with what you might say, but they will civilly discuss the issues with you. Again, this is not everyone's perception of the place, but it's mine.

I just think it's important to keep plugging away at discussion there, b/c AutismSpeaks is a major hub for parents who are new to autism. It's a first stop for many on the journey. Most, I guess, come in with a "cure" attitude, but are open to learning that there are many positives in the autism adventure.



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14 Dec 2007, 7:02 pm

LittleBoPeep, I agree, it's a lot more middle of the road than people imagine. It's just that the extremists (on both sides) shout so LOUD! And because it's such a mainstream site, it's really important that everyone that can, contributes.


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14 Dec 2007, 8:24 pm

littlebopeep wrote:
lastcrazyhorn wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
Autism Speaks...We think that all children with autism are handicapped ret*ds, who should be abused.


Okay, that's a bit harsh. I spent a lot of the day there and here and talked with a lot of folks. I think a lot of the people on the boards are pretty cool. I mean, they believe what they believe, but are mostly just looking for ways to make things better.

Now, the people behind Autism Speaks? Something definitely wrong with them. I think we should start clarifying these things.


Good to hear. Quite a few parents have left the AS forum b/c they say it is too ND leaning - too many people criticizing the very organization that hosts the board. I've been a member there since the board was put up last summer, for the very reason that I value the ND philosophy and I think it deserves to be introduced to cure-oriented parents, little by little. The AS site is pretty diverse, actually. The only place I know where people from quite a few various perspectives come to discuss the issues (and often clash.) It's got a village square feel to it. The membership on the AS forum is very differnt than the AS organizing body.

That said, even the cure-oriented parents seem to me to be quite reasonable and open to discussion, at least. Course, YMMV. But if you throw out a few of the extremists, who all sound like John Beast clones, you'll find many parents who are interested in talking. They all don't agree with what you might say, but they will civilly discuss the issues with you. Again, this is not everyone's perception of the place, but it's mine.

I just think it's important to keep plugging away at discussion there, b/c AutismSpeaks is a major hub for parents who are new to autism. It's a first stop for many on the journey. Most, I guess, come in with a "cure" attitude, but are open to learning that there are many positives in the autism adventure.

Darn right!


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14 Dec 2007, 11:46 pm

KBABZ wrote:
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Autism speaks: it's time to listen; just not to them, but to our lies.


Try this one on for size:

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I saw that before, and I wasn't trying to copy it.


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14 Dec 2007, 11:49 pm

I found it charming



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14 Dec 2007, 11:58 pm

littlebopeep wrote:
lastcrazyhorn wrote:
CockneyRebel wrote:
Autism Speaks...We think that all children with autism are handicapped ret*ds, who should be abused.


Okay, that's a bit harsh. I spent a lot of the day there and here and talked with a lot of folks. I think a lot of the people on the boards are pretty cool. I mean, they believe what they believe, but are mostly just looking for ways to make things better.

Now, the people behind Autism Speaks? Something definitely wrong with them. I think we should start clarifying these things.


Good to hear. Quite a few parents have left the AS forum b/c they say it is too ND leaning - too many people criticizing the very organization that hosts the board. I've been a member there since the board was put up last summer, for the very reason that I value the ND philosophy and I think it deserves to be introduced to cure-oriented parents, little by little. The AS site is pretty diverse, actually. The only place I know where people from quite a few various perspectives come to discuss the issues (and often clash.) It's got a village square feel to it. The membership on the AS forum is very differnt than the AS organizing body.

That said, even the cure-oriented parents seem to me to be quite reasonable and open to discussion, at least. Course, YMMV. But if you throw out a few of the extremists, who all sound like John Beast clones, you'll find many parents who are interested in talking. They all don't agree with what you might say, but they will civilly discuss the issues with you. Again, this is not everyone's perception of the place, but it's mine.

I just think it's important to keep plugging away at discussion there, b/c AutismSpeaks is a major hub for parents who are new to autism. It's a first stop for many on the journey. Most, I guess, come in with a "cure" attitude, but are open to learning that there are many positives in the autism adventure.


I've even got a few dialogs going there with people that I was initially wary about speaking to. Mostly I'm trying to avoid the extremists; as they're less likely to listen to anyone one disagreeing with them. But that's the story in any situation. I was in the same deal in college when I was part of a group trying to promote equality and understanding for homosexuals . . . on a baptist campus. We got met with people with opposing views, but opposing views that were willing to listen to what we had to say. And then came the extremists who acted like dolts breaking all the campus rules about solicitation and spreading rumors like mad about damnation and crap like that. *sighs*

It's just easier to talk to the thinking people; which once you get past the initial introductions and haven't done something stupid (like coming on too strongly or insulting everyone in site just for being there), then it turns out that most of the people are pretty cool.


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