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Not really.

"'Neither do I.'" was in reply to you, and I was agreeing. The rest was to no one in particular (the whole thread and this board in reality).

Oh, okay.

General You, not you you.



I have no interest in judging you. Only amused by the idea of "for a long time" from someone who hasn't left their teens yet





I can see I'm not getting through. *sigh*

function [ˈfaŋkʃən] verb:
to work; to operate

I never said I didn't have problems. I merely implied that the justification parade wasn't gonna happen today, and frankly I doubt your abilities to fully grasp such a thing. I don't have anything to prove, unlike the majority of the purists here.




I disagree. Especially when the "disorder" in question has to do with social hamperings and a lack of empathy.




I also see a lot of "My Dr. just informed me that I have AS" blindsided people who had no idea. So the door swings both ways.



Well, hot damn! Thank you for the hall pass.

The above paragraph in its entirety is just hilarious. Oh, and totally proves my point. I'm gonna go start sewing red U's on all of my shirts




Where are all of these WP people who have no problems?? Because I'm going to have a bunch of extra red U's...

Jaded,

AGAIN, I don't mean this in any way other than stated, "HOT DAMN! You are FUNNY!" I could just imagine you slapping your knee, and saying that!

Rainsong,

I changed my profile to say "undiagnosed" a few times. SOMEWHERE it defaults to diagnosed. I tend to say I am not. I just got tired of changing it back.



Rainsong,

If I saw NO problems, I wouldn't even think I was AS in the least. I wouldn't see any reason to be associated with you guys. And Jaded is right. YOU are YOUNG! YOU know more about why you are different, and in what way. As for me? I don't know for sure where I will be once I can no longer get a job. I DID look forward to a life that never happened. In short, socially, I might as well be dead or something.

Ah, thanks. I'd never seen it before.



*shrug* I don't care what you're amused by and what you're not amused by. Your understanding is not required.



Functioning is done on a day to day basis. You have to function all throuhgout life; it doesn't just happen with the big things like your career.

I'm quite sure that I grasp things a lot better than you imagine. I'm also quite sure that your opinion doesn't matter to me.



This is still a social place, even if we don't have to deal with body language. Empathy hasn't changed for me in either place, but perhaps it would for others.



Yes, they come too. Since they've just been dxed though, they're probably not going to list a bunch of symptoms that belong to another disorder.



I've yet to actually see a point from you. In fact, I've really yet to see anything indicating that you understand what the conversation on this thread has been about.



That was one of my points. If you have no problems, you don't need support; if you have no problems, there's really no reason to be here.

I had that happen quite a few times as well. It seems to go back to unidagnosed whenever you change something else on your profile.



I know you didn't say that; it wasn't directed towards you in specific.



It'd probably be best if you outright state your point; I think I see it, but perhaps I see the wrong one. In any case, if I'm seeing correctly, our points aren't so different; they're certainly not mutually exclusive.

I am younger (physically, at least) than most of you, yes. That doesn't mean I grew up knowing what AS was. I never heard of it until a few years ago; I wasn't officially diagnosed until today (I was "diagnosed" awhile ago, but the pyschologist didn't want to officially mark it down until today). I know why I'm different, but that doesn't mean I'm getting help for it; I don't get any special treatment or any such thing. I worked before I got the dx, I work now, I'll continue to do such, ect. I made plans a long time ago that would never happen, because I could never handle all the socialization included. I have the diagnoses, but it more or less does nothing for me. I all ready knew what was wrong with me (in general; not the official name for such) way before I ever heard of AS; I cope the same now as I did then.

I simply meant you have a far smaller chance of making some bad turns I did, and have a better chance of being a success in the REAL sense. Frankly, if I owned everything in the world, and had all the money, I wouldn't feel any more successful. I don't see that as the goal of a successful life.



I will TOO, but health can be a fragile thing. The economy is ALSO not so great.



Oh, I knew some things, though much was hidden over time. I just never really had it thrown in my face before. It is like being in a country and seeing the prices going up and not realizing why, and then finding that the currency has become WORTHLESS. You KNEW something was wrong, and suddenly find it was far worse than you imagined.

I know it sounds silly, but it was much like that. Seeing 25 years pass in like the blink of an eye didn't help.

I must ask, why is there an aversion to seeing a professional by many people who're self-diagnosed?

I understand how people may not wish to see a generic psychologist/psychiatrist, but it's not hard to find a professional who is trained in ASDs.

The main reasons I've heard:

1. Money.

2. Being confident in their self-analysis and just plain not caring what a professional thinks so not wanting to waste their time.

3. Not wanting to dredge up traumatic memories of the psych system by seeing a shrink (being an autism specialist doesn't help any in that problem).

4. Not being able to get in to get evaluated. (Including... if you say it is "not hard" to find specialists, you are extrapolating from a very small part of the world to the rest of the world, and incorrectly.)

5. Not wanting an official diagnosis because it could be used against them in situations involving custody, employment, security clearances, insurance, psychiatry, etc. (And it can, so please don't say it can't, I know too many people it happened to including people who hid it.)

6. Not believing in the medical model as the most relevant model to their lives of autism/disability/etc. Or even finding such a viewpoint (and the idea that professionals have the final authority over who we are) outright offensive.

I'm sure it could go on for pages.

Hear, Hear. Truth is, most of the abuse I've personally suffered in my life, in school, in the workplace, has been at the hands of NTs who were shallow, swaggering, Alpha males, intimidated by creativity and intelligence because they couldn't understand it. Their immediate reaction was to destroy what they couldn't comprehend, lest it somehow leave them looking or feeling foolish. I've seen people who were not only less intelligent, less educated, and visibly far less productive, leapfrogged over me simply because they socialized comfortably and easily where I did not. So if I ridicule and poke fun at NTs as being (generally speaking) my intellectual inferiors, call it snobbery, call it bitterness, call it whatever label makes you feel morally superior (oops - are you simply being a snob of a different color?). There's no cynical joke I can make at the expense of the NT community that will in any way affect their lives; unlike their prejudices and lack of tolerance which have already deeply affected mine. So stop judging and leave me my windmills at which to tilt.

Oh, and as for the notion that any Aspie who applies for disability assistance is some sort of social leech. Are you suggesting that someone already socially and emotionally disaffected by a disorder beyond their control, should feel obligated to survive on whatever minimum wage 30-hour-a-week scrap gets tossed their way? I'm thrilled for you that you're doing just fine on your own. I've followed a single career for thirty years, and during that period (only twice cracked the 20K yr mark) found myself unemployed about a third of that time. Sometimes it was due to the nature of the business, but often as not, was simply due to the fact that my AS just rubbed certain middle-management types the wrong way. Got along great with my peers in the trenches, but those Alpha types never knew what to make of me.
Now that career is virtually obsolete due to changing technologies and I've had to scramble to find something else I'm even qualified for. Remains to be seen whether the new career will make me enough to survive. BTW, yes, I've tried a lot of other jobs over the years, none of which ever worked out. I don't know where you fall on the spectrum, but maybe Neanthumain, you should get off your high horse and accept that not everybody may be as functional as you. I'd rather see any Aspie apply for aid than become so frustrated and depressed from the struggle to find a functional place in the world that they committed suicide. You sound like my Dad when I was 15, fuming at me because I couldn't explain to him why the thought of sacking groceries or flipping burgers (around strangers who would look at me and talk to me and expect me to know what to say back to them and perform physical tasks while strangers waited and stared and looked at me impatiently ) made me physically ill from anxiety. Hope whatever you're doing now is netting you a big ol' 401K, 'cause I'm on the downhill slope toward retirement age, and it's pretty clear I'll be working until the day I fall over dead, just to eat from week to week. Would I feel bad about taking a supplemental stipend from the taxes paid in by all those wealthy NTs who fired me because I was incapable of stroking their egos and kissing their butts? Hell no.

Well, in MY case there isn't really an aversion per se. If not for the disparity of beliefs, popularity of the term(with little understanding), and talks about the insurance, AND the cost, I would certainly do it. I think MOST would.

It is ASTOUNDING how even a close "friend's" perception of you can change in a heartbeat from an inconsequential thing. Even an ATTEMPT at an AS diagnosis could do that. It would be like getting an AIDS test.

Did you ever see the episode of "the facts of life"(A show in the US about a private boarding school for teenage girls) where Tuti(sp? who is the school gossip spreader.) gets the IQ scores? The IQ tests indicate that the one perceived to be the smartest has the lowest IQ, and vice/versa. EVERYONE'S behaviour suddenly changes. The smart person even stops studying and her scores drop.

The one with the highest IQ is the only one that doesn't change her attitude. She KNOWS she is still only as smart as she ever was. She has to keep telling people(Everyone now turns to HER to get help with their homework!) that SHE can't help them, and they should seek out the one that is REALLY smart, despite what her IQ says.

Anyway, it won't really change anything for me, so I err on the side of caution/economy.

anbuend,

1. I understand. This seems to be a US thing (though the schooling system there can diagnose people, which has its own pluses and negatives; this doesn't help adults).
2. Which is interesting as self-analysis is only as accurate as subjectivity allows; self-analysis plus an objective opinion from a professional is the only way to be "sure" as an adult.
3. I understand. One needn't bring anything up if they don't want to.
4. If one cannot physically go through with the motions, i.e., calling around and asking if professionals have experience with ASDs (it doesn't matter where you are located in the "first" world; all cities will have someone who knows a lot about ASDs in relation to generic professionals), and getting themselves there, then one probably needs to ask someone to do such for them.
5. One needn't have anything put down on paper, and records can be kept private; unless of course the disorder actually affects said person in whatever they fear may happen.
6. Which is erroneous as the medical model made the disorder, and they have a say over who has it or not.

HECK, A lot of people make LESS than 20K, and most AREN'T AS or "disabled"! That alone shouldn't be a reason to go on any assistance.



HECK, I am a computer consultant. The industry changes practically DAILY! I kind of like that.



Up to THIS point, you don't seem to indicate the problem is your raw ability.



MAN did you bring back a nasty memory. A short while after I got my new car(This was about 25 years ago folks!), I was pulling out of a parking space that was only a few feet larger than my car. I suddenly got a feeling of foreboding! EVERYONE was watching me! I don't know why! My mother, the land lord, and 2 other tennants ALL weer looking at ME pulling out! I HAD to turn at some point to avoid hitting cars with my cars rear. With all the distractions, I turned a little too fast, and put a hefty dent in my right front fender! I can STILL feel it! BTW, I was making 25-30K at the time.



ALL my investments TOGETHER are at about half my old low end goal for retirement. That means I don't have much to retire on.

BTW I would LOVE to think I could get such a stipend, but the rich don't tend to pay, and they plan to have it go bankrupt about when I might ACTUALLY be able to take advantage of it(Though I never planned to take advantage until about 15 years after that!)

Sweet jesus, I don't think any of you really get it. Well, aside from ukenkerl. and anbuend, who just morphed into someone with relevant reasoning.

Why the push to be "SURE" - like it's suddenly going to enable me to drive through automatic car washes???? *throws hands in air in exasperation* I don't NEED a stranger to approve of me or issue me a club card. f**k sake.

Last I looked AS was a disability not a superiority.. Anyone who thinks that is seriously in the dark...

Though I will say one thing, I can't find any other reason other than having a different way of thinking (AS) than NTs for being an Atheist considering no one else I know (and I'm the only person I know with AS) has decided to think logically in that manor..

Some don't want a diagnoses because they think they are so much smarter than doctors.