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09 Jun 2009, 2:16 pm

Irvy wrote:

I'll remember, as long as you remember that you, me and every other autistic person out there may well be fundamentally different from neurotypicals...[/i]
I think we're thinking of different levels of fundamental. We are all human. That means (usually) having 10 fingers, 10 toes, organs, etc. We have basic needs: food, water, shelter. We have basic emotional needs as well (love, acceptance, understanding)... though how we express them may be radically different. Does that make us fundamentally different? I guess it depends on your perspective. Maybe, maybe not.

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and there's something we're meant to be doing, a role in the world we're meant to be filling, and we're not, because we're all sitting whining because we're not normal and oh poor us, isn't it a tragedy.

Sorry, I read this part about 10 times and still haven't quite figured out what you meant.

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09 Jun 2009, 5:11 pm

number 6 is not correct i think, i obviously cant speak for all aspies but do we really live so much more rewarding lives and accomplish more then nt's ? i dont think so the difference might be that aspies are seeking to expand our minds while nt's ( not every nt ) are content with their minds as they are and keeping the same interests talking about the same things over and over not wanting to be confronted with new ideas or anything that challenges the way they have built up their mind.

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09 Jun 2009, 5:18 pm

Irvy wrote:

I'll remember, as long as you remember that you, me and every other autistic person out there may well be fundamentally different from neurotypicals, and there's something we're meant to be doing, a role in the world we're meant to be filling, and we're not, because we're all sitting whining because we're not normal and oh poor us, isn't it a tragedy.

there is no role out there for anyone, you have to pick your role it doesnt get appointed to you.

k what i mean is that we are not meant to fill anything, there are thousands if not milions of others that can fill the same role as me or you.

we have the potential to fill a role but they wont stay empty if we dont fullfill them.

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09 Jun 2009, 6:51 pm

1. Nonrebellious by nature(exept against their parents, but that's socially normal).
2. Overly social. They can't help it. It's like an obsessive compulsive thing.
3. Generally lower overall IQs than aspies.
4. No ability to specialize.
5. Try to hard to fit in.
6. "Well rounded" as they call it. In the modern industrialized world, you need to pick a path to go places.
7. Way too into sports. People would be so much better off if 90% of their time and energy weren't spent on playing sports, watching sports and following professional sports.

EDIT: I know these are generalizations and I have "NT" friends who don't fit this much. It's all generally true though.

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09 Jun 2009, 6:51 pm

Michjo wrote:

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1.) Empathy. Seriously, they claim to be empathetic? Really, then how come there were people like Mugabe and Hitler in the world?
2.) Social understanding. Then why in this country(USA), 55 percent of all married couples divorce, there are 102,000 sucidies a year, 30 percent of "families" are single-parent, 40 million people live as singles all the way into their 40s, and how come there are 12,160 murders a year?
3.) Social status and being concerned with this. This narrows their world and understanding.
4.) Intelligence. How come the general mean of intelligence went down the toilet lately?
5.) Very little intelligence. For example, people talking about things like sex, sports and celebrities, but never about say the meaning of life, the comets and where they orginate, the implications of mathematics on humanity, the implications of geography on human sociology?
IN other words, the NT word "shallow".
6.) Menaingless lives. As you might have seen in a previous thread of mine, most people are born, go to school, go to work for 40 years and then retire. Nothing of permanent and tangible value for posterity is accomplished
7. Social conventions which creates xenophobia to those people who don't follow them
8. Groupthink and peer pressure. This one should be self-evident.

Funny, most of these are evident on worldplanet in varying degree's as well. We must all be NT, (Or perhaps they are all descriptive traits of human beings in general)

QFT excellent riposte Michjo. @ the rest of you 'NT' bashers, get over it, you have an ASD so stop knocking the vast majority of the population for the simple reason that you do not fit in, doing this is highly immature and simply a way of hiding from the reality of ASD learn to cope and stop whining.

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09 Jun 2009, 6:55 pm

anna-banana wrote:

wooo-hooo NT-bashing thread! and it's not even locked yet! :wink:

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I often wonder how NT's survive at all. Their entire social network is built on lying to each other and never saying what you really mean. They all surely know that they're all lying to each other, which makes it redundant.

QFT

Rather QF complete and utter BS

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09 Jun 2009, 7:24 pm

Where exactly is this thread going?

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09 Jun 2009, 8:07 pm

Bozewani wrote:

Ok, this a thread to turn the tables around. Many NTs speak of Aspie weaknesses, lack of empathy, bad nonverbals, etc, but let's turn it around on them and deflate their egos..

1.) Empathy. Seriously, they claim to be empathetic? Really, then how come there were people like Mugabe and Hitler in the world?
2.) Social understanding. Then why in this country(USA), 55 percent of all married couples divorce, there are 102,000 sucidies a year, 30 percent of "families" are single-parent, 40 million people live as singles all the way into their 40s, and how come there are 12,160 murders a year?
3.) Social status and being concerned with this. This narrows their world and understanding.
4.) Intelligence. How come the general mean of intelligence went down the toilet lately?
5.) Very little intelligence. For example, people talking about things like sex, sports and celebrities, but never about say the meaning of life, the comets and where they orginate, the implications of mathematics on humanity, the implications of geography on human sociology?
IN other words, the NT word "shallow".
6.) Menaingless lives. As you might have seen in a previous thread of mine, most people are born, go to school, go to work for 40 years and then retire. Nothing of permanent and tangible value for posterity is accomplished
7. Social conventions which creates xenophobia to those people who don't follow them
8. Groupthink and peer pressure. This one should be self-evident.

By the way this is not a list written in stone. You can agree to disagree, make amendments, additions, continuations, and so on.

Tell me what is your opionion the NT's greatest collective weaknesses.

Nobody is perfect. Neither NT nor Aspie.

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09 Jun 2009, 9:35 pm

In absolute numbers there are as many or more non-shallow NT's as there are non-shallow aspies. I'll grant that shallow people make up the majority of the general population but the divide isn't one of aspie vs. NT. Therefore it makes more sense to classify your negative NT traits as negative human traits.

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09 Jun 2009, 11:45 pm

Nuerotypicals hardly ever mean what they say or say what they mean. They tend to lack honesty and constantly play games with each other.

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10 Jun 2009, 12:11 am

Prosser wrote:

Where exactly is this thread going?

Well it started in the gutter so presumably it will head down the drain and into the sewer

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10 Jun 2009, 1:22 am

Bosewani,

The fact that you divide yourself so completely from NTs is indicative of behaviour(on your part) that you criticise NTs for.

Walk the walk if you are going to talk the talk.

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10 Jun 2009, 5:08 pm

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What, are you accusing myself of dividing from NTs?

Here's the thing.

Would you like a topic called Aspie Weaknesses?

Here's some

1.) Goal focused at the expense of everything else
2.) martyrdom
3.) Clinging to people when there is no possibility of rapport
4.) Thinking people will treat you equally. The brutal reality is that there are pecking orders and social conventions
5.) Thinking that the world is black and white

Should I continue?

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10 Jun 2009, 5:19 pm

NTs are different from aspies, it's a simple fact, people need to quit getting offended by that. Next thing you know, the statement "black people have dark skin" will be viewed as 'stereotypical'. :roll:

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10 Jun 2009, 6:09 pm

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:

I cite #5 from bozewani's Aspie weaknesses list.

From what I gather, the OP was trying to get people to realize that making such a list was a silly a futile idea. Unfortunately, a lot of people took the idea either directly as NT bashing (me included) or took the opportunity for what appeared to be bashing. A paragraph at the end of the original post summarizing the point you were trying to make would have been very helpful. Subtletly doesn't work so well on online forums.

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