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15 Jun 2009, 12:14 pm

lol I imagine myself ither a seer or a medicine maker/treater

I think though as the geral strengths for aspies is a more computive logic and a greater intelligence the MAJOR downfall that humans need is social skills to band together to suvive, Aspies are not a part of evolution but the genetic differentation and hiccups but with major strengths however the greater flaw is that we would not surprise because I prsonally am very withdrawn and e.g. a a huge blizzad I would die most likely it a MAJOR flaw in the backbone of evolution and literally a statement like this is very narrow and one thing intelligent people have is power and that one major flaw that they consider themselves to be a major player in society and a different. That is a nrmal geniu or meglomaniac.

I do think it is a very narrow view but the flaws are rarely taken into account only the hype by media. We are all different but at the moment the reason why whowe are and why we are like this. It is only logical or a media broadcaster to look at auism/aspie case risesand think OH Y GOD they are taking over. Or nturally for a community to think are we ging to become big are we a bigger cog in the machine but as metioned the flaws are n the shadows and never thught about



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15 Jun 2009, 1:01 pm

why does everyone on here act like they are a deifferent species than people without aspergers? is that how people treat you? if so thats awful.



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15 Jun 2009, 1:10 pm

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Yes. We are different, and it is pretty obvious we are different. Most NTs don't see it as just a difference; they see it as a defect of some sort. Those who aren't compliant with society's norms are ostracized and made fun of. The diabolical thing is that the society's norms are often unreasonable and even ridiculous. But they are socially acceptable!

I, for one, feel like I live on a wrong planet. Trying to fit in can be maddening sometimes.



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15 Jun 2009, 1:15 pm

i know a man with aspergers and i dont treat him like that. in fact, i can totally relate to all of you in some way, because i prefer my own company and i have spent most of my life so far not fitting in and being frustrated by that and being told im weird.. i think your all great. =)



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16 Jun 2009, 12:20 am

I think AS people have always been around, just not as understood as they are today. Also I think everyone is born into this world with certain skills or qualities to contribute to society. For instance, if every NT was a lawyer, who would do all of the other jobs that need done?



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16 Jun 2009, 1:26 am

I agree with the OP in a way, in that it might be possible. Someone correct me if wrong here, but hasnt it been proven that the amount of people with AS is increasing over time, therefore, if that continues, we MAY eventually become more populous than NTs.



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16 Jun 2009, 2:08 am

I-ron_Man wrote:
hasnt it been proven that the amount of people with AS is increasing over time,

No.



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16 Jun 2009, 8:11 am

Yes. However, the amount of NTs is also increasing.



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16 Jun 2009, 5:33 pm

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Yes. However, the amount of NTs is also increasing.

No.

For all that has been proven about the number of people with ASDs, our numbers could have been decreasing over time for centuries. It has never yet been established precisely how many of us there are, and it is unlikely we will ever prove retrospectively, how many of us there were at some particular time, prior to reliable assessment and screening.



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16 Jun 2009, 5:42 pm

I think it's essentially public awareness and the resulting diagnostic service which has grown and it still has a very long way to go, especially with adults.



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16 Jun 2009, 7:15 pm

It's not like evolution is an entity with any kind of preconceived plan. It's just a process of individuals sometimes getting thrown out there with new/mutated and/or suddenly non-recessive combinations of alleles. Allele And from there, whatever works, works, forever and ever, over and over, until sometime shortly after the Sun dies out.

The man-made terms of AS and autism, and the people they encompass, could represent a line of possibility for subtley tweaking brain development in a beneficial way, but I'd say it's still in the "no particular greater chance for success" phase. A few individuals have been unusually successful due to their differences, but the greater part of the delineation are still left ironing out the functional ramifications.



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16 Jun 2009, 8:40 pm

1.AS is genetic / genetic predisposition indeed.
2.is what we consider NT not the "NT" f days passed? probably.
3.Evolution is something defined when looked for in retrospect the precess is natural selection.
4.what forces there are that drive NS forward are related to whoever had more kids to live to shift the phenotypical representation of the next generations.
5.but evolution is meaningless since it assumes genetics change faster then say cultural memes (With the kind of tech we have now and the internet surely AS is much more favorable although society isn't structured like it was which was probably more AS friendly upto the 1950s) I know most of the people in this forum are around their twenties , we will get to see in our lifetime stuff that makes such notions meaningless as the option to change details about the indevidual for results exactly has said person demands regarding anything will probably be available (transhumanism etc , yet again a stupid ivory tower ideology like the rest nothing special but they do talk about the simple fact that we always expect to fundamental stay the same despite the contrariety in the past and cultural+technological advances) so your typical NT will find one way or another if he likes to get attention to detail and related skills of a prodigious savant and more.
6. so assuming evolution has any meaning as in what will we see in the future? probably the stupid tribal babble will advance a bit but functional stuff will make a person relatively beyond even the most savantish type in that matter as in a proportion shift in personality/abilities.



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17 Jun 2009, 3:32 pm

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5.but evolution is meaningless since it assumes genetics change faster then say cultural memes (With the kind of tech we have now and the internet surely AS is much more favorable although society isn't structured like it was which was probably more AS friendly upto the 1950s)

Evolution does not assume anything, and widely accepted evolutionary theory does not assume that human gene pools vary as quickly through time as human culture.



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18 Jun 2009, 5:14 am

The population of Aspies is increasing. The world population is increasing. The latter causes the former.



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18 Jun 2009, 6:39 am

rachel20 wrote:
i know a man with aspergers and i dont treat him like that. in fact, i can totally relate to all of you in some way, because i prefer my own company and i have spent most of my life so far not fitting in and being frustrated by that and being told im weird.. i think your all great. =)


I'm glad. :)

It's often not even how others treat us (although we are often ostracized - you know the stereotype nerd who gets bullied and drops his books? Chances are that nerd is AS) - but how we feel inside. I often feel alien compared to others around me; I seem to think differently, and process the world differently.


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18 Jun 2009, 10:16 pm

Magneto wrote:
The population of Aspies is increasing. The world population is increasing. The latter causes the former.

Not necessarily. If a population has one person characterized by ASD and 9 not, in year 1, and in year ten 10, 1 person characterized by Aspergers Syndrome and 15 not, the overall population has increased from 10 to 16, but the number of the population characterized by Aspergers Syndrome has not.