Trapped in an NT game!!

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You took the words right out of my mouth Your statement is exactly why it is illogical (unprofitable/counterproductive) for a company to try and hire a person at minimum wage for a job that should truely pay more.

In some cases it can be down right dangerous. That person could potentially cost the company a lot of money (such as lawsuits or loosing a big client) if they do or handle something incorrectly. It makes no sense for a company to take that sort of potentially damaging risk.

One more point I'd like to make- A job or profession pay scale may go down do to the fact that there is no longer the demand for that service and now you have a lot of people without a job in that profession. That is basic supply and demand. It may not be fair that now you can't find a job in that proffesion for what you use to get paid but it is a logical outcome.

Saguaro, you're confused again. They won't handle anything incorrectly, because they are experts in the field. Only they're being paid by the company minimum wage instead of what they used to make, even if it was 100 times more.

I have given up trying to fit in, learn to pretend and wear the mask only too well... but all that done was made me miserable and stressed, frustrated to say the least, its not that I do not want to be a part of society, but society does not allow, as Donna Williams calls it anxiety exposure, to much for me sends me but to the black pit, so as much as I can I live within my own world within this world, being creative is my escape for the harsh realities of living a lie...

Your original statement is a bit illogical. No one should be offering a job that pays 4K a year because that works out to 1.92 in an average 40hr work week.

I do understand that, where you live, if there is now a glutton of engineers available to work were as before they were in demand that the pay scale will go down or there are no openings to be filled.

I was commenting more on your original post. I am truely sorry that you have lost your job and are ubable to find reemployment in your area.

I do know people who have intentionally done poorly at job interviews in order to keep getting their unemployment instead of going to work at a different job for a lower pay scale because there are no opening in their perfered profession. It's an NT thing I guess

To clarify, the amounts are ficticious, and of course not in american dollars per year. Just to give an idea of proportions.

I still don't understand what's the use of forcing you to go to the interviews, if they can't force you to do well at the interviews to get hired... I suppose there's a nonverbal logic that NT job-seekers see and I don't...

Well yes, that's what we have to do in so many social situations, just never point out the nonsense and then all will be well. I think you are supposed to enjoy playing the games too

Spent years trying to figure why so many less intelligent individuals move passed me, so frustrating because even if I knew everyone interviewing me I still turned to a jumbled mess and I may not have the qualifications as school I barly survived, but often intelligence way beyond what I can even figure at times... eventually my employees just sort of gave me promotions as I could do so well...

Comment from one of my ex bosses, I did not understand myself, so how could she: "I felt really sad when I read the bit about your work experience and especially about interviews . I remember the interview you did that I sat in and being really puzzled about how you came across - as you say you knew you could do the job, we knew you could do it but it wasn't coming out at the interview. Now I have been reading what you have to say about AS I think I can begin to understand."

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thanks green tea for giving me an annurism

that was so bloody confusing not your writing but the system itself it does not even make logical sense and I am all about the logic baby

It saves everybody face, while safeguarding, within the circumstances, their interests. Jobseekers rationally enough avoid taking a job with substandard pay while pretending to be 'model citizens' willing to take any job offered whatsoever; employers pretend to 'give people a second chance' while in effect getting away with hiring at substandard pay thanks to government diktat; the government pretends it's helping people et back on their feet in a rational, sensible manner. The system was probably designed with good intentions, but has been messed up by people's infinite capacity for doublethink and not saying the Emperor has no clothes, and the conflicting interests of the parties involved - remember bureaucrats are paid to tick boxes, not to achieve actual results, hence they care more about procedures (like sending people to interview for jobs they won't get anyway) than about actual results.

NTs know that bureaucratic stuff is bull, too. Even most of the ones that work for the government know it. But the thing about bureaucracy is that it takes forever to change.. so they try to play the game as best they can, and complain to their friends/family/therapists.. same as you're doing.

I am confused, too. I completely don't get it

Your not alone I often feel trapped within my own world but to be honest if it keeps me away from the presence and game playing more than happy not to know...

I'll try to explain it more clearly:

1. You're unemployed, and in order to get unemployment money from the gov't you're required to take ANY job they send you to. But they can't force you to be hired, of course. If you're not hired, gov't will continue giving you money. Why would you be so silly to make an effort to be hired at the interview, if you don't want that job (it's totally below your level) and you're just being forced to take it?

2. If the employer does hire you, but decides to pay you minimum wage, the gov't completes the amount so that you receive what you'd be receiving from the gov't if you weren't working. Therefore: the employers have a real bargain here; they can hire a 100K Engineer, say, for minimum wage and the gov't pays the Engineer the rest. Why should employers get away with paying a ridiculous amount to top professionals?

3. Since extremely high-level people are being forced by the gov't to work for minimum wages, all people applying for jobs must request only minimum wages, in order to be able to compete with this mass of people forced to accept jobs at minimum wage. This is severe harm to workers in the employment market.

4. The unemployment money that the gov't gives you each month when you're not working is in fact a reimbursement of the money you pay the gov't each month when you're working (forced by law), so it's YOUR money. Why should an Engineer go clean stores at night for this money, if it's HIS money, which he paid the gov't for years while he was working?

Is it a bit clearer now?

So glad I am not alone. I don't think how greentea explained it, I just didn't get it LOL
I love living in my quiet little world where everything seems fine. I don't get things such as the whole game playing thing unless someone bluntly points it out.

Greentea: You have been doing a wonderful job at explaining. The system just seems incredibly messed up and very confusing.

PBCOLL - beautifully written.

That sounds like the truest thing

I hope you don't mind I shortened this but I'm replying to the whole thing. Your info tag says your from the Middle East. I don't know if your working in the US or your in the Middle East. I'm in the US so my comment is going to be based on US knowledge.

A lot of these rules/laws are put in place by either state or national legislatures. Usually when the law is passed it looks nothing like the original legislation that was introduced and it is poked full of holes so it does not have near the "bite" of the original legislation. Those holes are mostly made by lobbiest for big businesses and special interest groups.

The part that your not happy about (which I agree is pointless) was probably added/manipulated by some lobby group that realized the benifit it would bring to buisness at a time when there was not a lot of unemployment.

Now that there is a lot of unemployment it should become blatently obvious that this will cost the government a lot of money and it should be changed. Who the heck knows when that will be

I hope this is more in line of what you were looking for.