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19 Jun 2009, 5:38 pm

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Infintile autism, classic autism, or what is otherwise known as LFA, represents only .5 of 1000 people. It is the LEAST common variety of autism. The vast majority fall in the High Functioning part of the spectrum, with AS, HFA and PDD-NOS as the primary diagnosises. The number of people with autism jumps to 1 in 150 with these three groups.

I have been at lectures and had conversations with doctors and therapists in the field, and they have confirmed this. The ONLY people who think the severe part of the spectrum represents the majority is the pro-cure set.


Can you provide a citation, or a Name of a Doctor that published this info? I believe what your say, i just want to know there's some support in a empirical sense

And if PDD-NOS is the most common diag, doesn't that suggest that perhaps autism is not defined accurately? i mean NOS is supposed to be a category for the few that are thought to have it, but just don't meet the criteria.

and the official DSM-IV-TR Pervasive Developmental Disorder(PDD) Umbrella cover : Rett's Syndrome ( Regressive female childhood autism), Childhood Disintegrative Disorder ( regressive childhood autism), Kanner's ( Classical Autism), AS, and PDD-NOS. Retts and CDD are considered rather rare, retts only effecting females ( males are suspected of dieing in utero). Ok info splurge over.



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19 Jun 2009, 6:27 pm

Isn't it true that low functioning doesn't necessarily include MR?



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19 Jun 2009, 6:41 pm

What's MR?


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19 Jun 2009, 7:06 pm

Ah but remember guys there is dyslexia and dysphraxia which are recognised as forms of autism an are part of the spectrum, I would say dyslexia is most common then PDD like 90% of autsitics have dysphraxia so reall dysphraxia is a side effect



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19 Jun 2009, 7:13 pm

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Ah but remember guys there is dyslexia and dysphraxia which are recognised as forms of autism an are part of the spectrum, I would say dyslexia is most common then PDD like 90% of autsitics have dysphraxia so reall dysphraxia is a side effect

This is the weirdest thing, and so sad. I'm only recently diagnosed (Aspie, ADHD). I was married to an undiagnosed dyslexic for 17 years. But I am hyperlexic; and I can classify but not do sequential activities, whereas he can do sequential activities but not classify. So alike, yet so different; so many arguments, so many meltdowns, so little understanding, so much hurt. We were divorced in 2005.


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19 Jun 2009, 9:27 pm

how is it weird, please clarify black and whire please, thanks
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19 Jun 2009, 11:23 pm

MR means mentally ret*d.

I would guess that like any other disability, this has nothing to do with any studies or anything, that the incidence of milder is higher than the incidence of more severe. Total deafness is very rare (more rare than autism actually) but the incidence of hearing loss is so high that I would guess everyone knows someone with a hearing loss. Severe ld is more common than deafness, but less common than mild learning disabilities that effect things like map reading, math, reading, etc. So I guess it would be with autism. I would also guess that there are large nos of high functioning people that are so high functioning that they would never get a dx.

I think the statement that dyslexia, etc is a form of autism. Dyslexia just refers with difficulty understanding the sound symbol relationship needed to read. Many people with dyslexia are VERY social. I have known some of them.

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20 Jun 2009, 3:40 am

SteveeVader wrote:
how is it weird, please clarify black and whire please, thanks
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I mean it is ironic that my husband and I were probably both autistic, and therefore potentially our commonality should have created understanding, yet our autism manifested itself in such divergent ways that we misunderstood each other for much of the time.


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20 Jun 2009, 3:47 am

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I think the statement that dyslexia, etc is a form of autism. Dyslexia just refers with difficulty understanding the sound symbol relationship needed to read. Many people with dyslexia are VERY social. I have known some of them.
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Many Aspies are also very social. I am one of them! (However, this year, being very stressed, I have withdrawn a lot.)

Like ADHD which occurs independently of Aspergers, dyslexia, some forms of OCD, and numerous other conditions appear to have genetic commonalities with AS and other ASDs, and some neurologists consider them part of the broader spectrum.


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20 Jun 2009, 3:58 am

I know the answer. :)

1/4 have AS
1/4 have AD (HFA/LFA); most are LFA (2/3)
2/4 have PDD-NOS; atypical autism, atypical Asperger's, NVLD, SPD, residual autism, etcetera and etcetera

As per Lorna Wing.



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20 Jun 2009, 4:05 am

SteveeVader wrote:
Ah but remember guys there is dyslexia and dysphraxia which are recognised as forms of autism an are part of the spectrum, I would say dyslexia is most common then PDD like 90% of autsitics have dysphraxia so reall dysphraxia is a side effect


Dyslexia and dyspraxia are not classified as forms of autism. It is more correct to say they can overlap with it. Many people with these conditions do not have an ASD.



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20 Jun 2009, 5:34 am

Figures I know (the 1 in 150 thingy) point to that either PDD-NOS or Asperger's is the most common.

Classical/autistic disorder 1,3-2,2 of 1000

Asperger's 1-3 of 1000

other PDDs (including PDD-NOS) 3,3 of 1000


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20 Jun 2009, 10:33 am

This is a very good question as the statistical numbers are constantly changing with diagnosos and such in the world and so forth..Personally, I'd say autism itself might be the most common in some ways but, HFA or AS is ranked 2nd with the amount of people whom have it on the global scale..Anyways, This is the best I could do..



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20 Jun 2009, 2:22 pm

Aimless wrote:
Isn't it true that low functioning doesn't necessarily include MR?

yes,though LFAs are nearly always classed as having some level of MR,the autism experts am know [part of social services LD team] know am score MR,but say am intelligent and the reason am score and come off as MR is the effects of severe autism and learning disabilities [MLD]..so the further into severe and onto profound autism someone goes-the higher chance they're going to show as very mr when they're not,someone may actually be MR but intelligence testing of Autists,and using it against them is a bad thing,it's not realistic way to judge an Autists abilities on.


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20 Jun 2009, 2:26 pm

KingdomOfRats, one can definitely tell that you are intelligent by reading your posts. :D



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20 Jun 2009, 3:25 pm

KingdomOfRats is right, I believe. I am an Aspie with degrees and a job that sounds smart and bla bla bla, but when I had bad ADHD and I was under stress and having meltdowns every second day, I can bet you my IQ would have tested significantly lower and it was also obvious to everyone that I wasn't doing my job effectively anymore. (Not that I know what my IQ is, but I never finish IQ tests anyway, and I've never got even half-way on the maths section.) About a month ago I was seriously thinking of suggesting that I get demoted, because I felt so stupid. I also made some incredibly unwise decisions, lent a man an enormous amount of money over a period of several weeks, all because I wasn't thinking straight. I don't even know why I never noticed the dent in the back of my car until the boss pointed it out to me yesterday.

I think there probably are a lot of people who go through times of being a "Low Functioning Aspie", so I guess as a diagnosed Low-Functioning Autistic it's possible that you actually could have functioned higher without the perception of MR if all that other stuff wasn't in the way so often.


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