Banter is particularly difficult .. on the autism spectrum

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30 Jun 2009, 2:27 am

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Banter is the most difficult form of conversation for me. I always take it too seriously. If someone is a close friend, though, I can understand that their banter is meant lightly and that they aren't insulting me.


I couldn't do it at your age either, but maturity is a wonderful thing.

The media, or what ever drives this youth culture, wants this a kept a secrete though, so don't tell anybody


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30 Jun 2009, 5:06 am

I am much better at accepting banter but I had to consciously talk myself through it. I'm not good at delivering it because it's just not natural for me and my self consciousness over rides my attempts. It's the same with flirting. I just can't do it. I do think once you know someone well enough you can listen to an "insult" and realize that it is not meant as a serious judgement. My son is very sensitive like me and I have told him I learned that some people tease you because they like you. Also I think you're more apt to react negatively if you secretly suspect the "insult" is true. Banter is an inner circle thing.



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30 Jun 2009, 8:25 am

This is a stereotype, and about as accurate and unfortunate as most stereotypes. Since before middle school, I have been a non-stop banterer/chatterer. There a lot of things going on in my head, and some sort of quip always seems to come out (unlike some AS people). In school, I racked up record numbers of detentions because of this.

On the other hand, small talk, of the type a group of adults engages in after a dinner party, is extremely irritating to me. In fact, after about a half hour of it, it starts driving me around the bend and I need to get up an leave.



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30 Jun 2009, 10:19 am

wildgrape wrote:
This is a stereotype, and about as accurate and unfortunate as most stereotypes.


Absolutely, wildgrape – thanks for reminding us!!

A lot can be said about a *group* through statistics, but it tells us NOTHING about any *individual* member of that group. To assume it does is to pre-judge (prejudice)

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Small talk is just so uninteresting that I can't even act like I can do it. But banter, most of what I say is banter. I'm always making jokes. I used to make really offensive jokes, but I settled down a bit.


I have read that up to 60% of an NT conversation is nonverbal. For me, its like reading a book in which 30 – 60% of each page has been randomly cut out.

I think small talk is an exercise in nonverbal communication. I would anticipate that it would be harder than banter, which is more intellectual

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Small talk is a type of conversation where the topic is less important than the social purpose of achieving bonding between people or managing personal distance.
Banter is non-serious conversation, usually between friends, which may rely on humour or in-jokes at the expense of those taking part.

Mt profile would be
1. Functional communication
2. Banter
3. Small talk


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30 Jun 2009, 10:25 am

flamingshorts wrote:
Banter WikiEach type of conversation has its own cluster of purposes and expectations attached.

Functional conversation is designed to convey information in order to help achieve an individual or group goal.
Small talk is a type of conversation where the topic is less important than the social purpose of achieving bonding between people or managing personal distance.
Banter is non-serious conversation, usually between friends, which may rely on humour or in-jokes at the expense of those taking part. The purpose of banter may at first appear to be an offensive affront to the other person's face. However, people engaging in such a conversation are often signaling that they are comfortable enough in each others' company to be able to say such things without causing offense. Banter is particularly difficult for those on the autism spectrum, or those with semantic pragmatic disorder.


I'm very good at this.

It gets me called empathic when I'm actually not due to my autism.

Wow.

I couldn't do this until I was some 19 years old though. So I believe that bit abotu how it's hard for those on the spectrum is mostly true.


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30 Jun 2009, 10:29 am

JanetFAP wrote:
1. Functional communication
2. Banter
3. Small talk

Same here. I can do banter with people who have the same type of humor as me. I can never do small talk.



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30 Jun 2009, 11:43 am

I'm not that good at banter in a group when everyone is throwing jokes around. But I can be really good at it with one best friend and with plenty of injokes. I do better with small talk than banter generally.


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30 Jun 2009, 2:25 pm

I know I'm one of the autism spectrum people for whom banter is particularly difficult. It's not always an inner circle thing, or something that'll always arise AFTER people have got to know each other to the extent of familiarity. Sometimes that's the way people talk indiscriminately to everyone, including when first meeting a person, or at least that's how it is in my experience in the culture here.

I have found there are as many Aspies who are good at banter, as there are who struggle with it.



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30 Jun 2009, 2:35 pm

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It depends on the person. Some people I can banter with, some I can't. When I was a kid, a friend and I played what we called the "insult game."

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I had a game like that with a friend of mine, we would take turns thinking of the vilest possible insult, while giggling hysterically.


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30 Jun 2009, 2:37 pm

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Huh, I thought I was better at banter than small talk. But, sometimes, I take banter directed towards me too personally, even if I know it's just playing around.


Same here. People insist that they're joking, but I have a hard time believing there's not something real behind it., Maybe because my brain hears things literally, I find it hard to override that. I tend to just feel that I'm being bullied, even if what someone says is genuinely a joke.


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