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30 Jun 2009, 6:35 pm

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on their website it says a person seeking membership must be 14 or older to take the test. WTF!?


All that means is that the Mensa IQ test is not normed for children. There are other qualifying IQ tests which are designed for and normed on children that young though, like the WPPSI.


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30 Jun 2009, 6:56 pm

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Maybe you can start making sense!? MENSA should not, and never claimed to(to the best of my knowledge) make it easier for people with disabilities to get in. What should they do, allow people with MR because they are mentally challenged? What does an IEP or doctors diagnosis have to do with anything? They DO accept a LOT of different IQ tests.

At least I agree that many are just pretentious, etc....


I am not saying people with MR should get in.

But I Am saying they should give people with disabilities an equal and level playing field by adapting the test to allow them a equal chance as someone without the disability. i.e someone with dyscalculia can use a calculator in school then why cant they use said calculator at the mENSA test


GEE, why not remove the math part ENTIRELY!



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30 Jun 2009, 6:58 pm

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2ukenkerl wrote:
Maybe you can start making sense!? MENSA should not, and never claimed to(to the best of my knowledge) make it easier for people with disabilities to get in. What should they do, allow people with MR because they are mentally challenged? What does an IEP or doctors diagnosis have to do with anything? They DO accept a LOT of different IQ tests.

At least I agree that many are just pretentious, etc....


I am not saying people with MR should get in.

But I Am saying they should give people with disabilities an equal and level playing field by adapting the test to allow them a equal chance as someone without the disability. i.e someone with dyscalculia can use a calculator in school then why cant they use said calculator at the mENSA test


GEE, why not remove the math part ENTIRELY!


fine by me XD


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30 Jun 2009, 7:17 pm

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Strapples wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
Maybe you can start making sense!? MENSA should not, and never claimed to(to the best of my knowledge) make it easier for people with disabilities to get in. What should they do, allow people with MR because they are mentally challenged? What does an IEP or doctors diagnosis have to do with anything? They DO accept a LOT of different IQ tests.

At least I agree that many are just pretentious, etc....


I am not saying people with MR should get in.

But I Am saying they should give people with disabilities an equal and level playing field by adapting the test to allow them a equal chance as someone without the disability. i.e someone with dyscalculia can use a calculator in school then why cant they use said calculator at the mENSA test


GEE, why not remove the math part ENTIRELY!


fine by me XD


I figured it would be, but I was being sarcastic! The math part helps test logic and math. Allowing one to use a calculator may invalidate it totally. When I was in school, we WEREN'T allowed to use calculators, and almost ALL calculators were CALCULATORS! TODAY, many calculators are COMPUTERS! The two highest level TIs that you could get at any store(staples, office max, best buy, etc.. have them), last I knew, were NICE computers that EASILY rival the first few I had! and they are relatively CHEAP! They look fancy, but basically look like some of the much simpler lower end TI calculators. HECK, they even have keyboard overlays to emulate them.



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30 Jun 2009, 7:21 pm

2ukenkerl wrote:
Strapples wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
Strapples wrote:
2ukenkerl wrote:
Maybe you can start making sense!? MENSA should not, and never claimed to(to the best of my knowledge) make it easier for people with disabilities to get in. What should they do, allow people with MR because they are mentally challenged? What does an IEP or doctors diagnosis have to do with anything? They DO accept a LOT of different IQ tests.

At least I agree that many are just pretentious, etc....


I am not saying people with MR should get in.

But I Am saying they should give people with disabilities an equal and level playing field by adapting the test to allow them a equal chance as someone without the disability. i.e someone with dyscalculia can use a calculator in school then why cant they use said calculator at the mENSA test


GEE, why not remove the math part ENTIRELY!


fine by me XD


I figured it would be, but I was being sarcastic! The math part helps test logic and math. Allowing one to use a calculator may invalidate it totally. When I was in school, we WEREN'T allowed to use calculators, and almost ALL calculators were CALCULATORS! TODAY, many calculators are COMPUTERS! The two highest level TIs that you could get at any store(staples, office max, best buy, etc.. have them), last I knew, were NICE computers that EASILY rival the first few I had! and they are relatively CHEAP! They look fancy, but basically look like some of the much simpler lower end TI calculators. HECK, they even have keyboard overlays to emulate them.


TI84+ anyone?


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30 Jun 2009, 7:31 pm

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I think Mensa first started off as "oh yeah we'll create this society that will help save the world" instead now it is only a bunch of elitists who for sure if they ARE SO CLEVER actually realise IQ is an incredibly flawed system


Two per cent of six billion is 120 million. Finding 100,000 of that set should not be all that difficult.

I find the idea of sitting around and congratulating each other for being in the 98th percentile rather unproductive, don't you?

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30 Jun 2009, 7:33 pm

Seriously its 2 and a half lol I read on their FAQ lol, and then like before two paragraphs up it said yo have to be 16 or over and then it says they have a Mensa for kids is that th most hypocritical thing ever, it just does not make no sense so ok here is how it goes

OK... a "two and a half year old" really needs t be in Mensa how does a two year old well and a half even have a 130+ IQ lol so this child can read and write and identify logical patterns and do complicated math and yeah the child on would be easier but still complex lol is this child by any chance Jesus. lol

And then a Mensa for kids and then saying you have to be 16 or above TO TAKE THE TEST the WIAS IQ examination itself has gaping holes and I bet there are a few who have fluked a high level IQ. So Mensa are saying this if you're American as in the UK IQ tests are not really issued psycholically as not many see the need to, I think its actually good myself. BUT in America so I you pay for a psychologist fluke an IQ test and then that gets you into Mensa with no actual test.

Am I the only one who sees the gaping hole in that procedure.

I actually don't get Mensa one bit after looking and reading their system is completely arciate and does not actually scietifically have any evidence I at uni will ask lecturers for their opinion as I would like to see how many psycholists actually denounce IQ the lecturers at my uni I would think would denounce it



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30 Jun 2009, 7:38 pm

Ah but the hole in their cam is sat they welcome only 2% of the smartest into their group currently operating at 100,000 but If they changed thier tune to 120 million it would sound awfully less exclusive wouldn't it?



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30 Jun 2009, 7:38 pm

I shall deduce this now

I HAVE NO INTEREST IN JOINING OR TESTING FOR MENSA.

the only reason i started this thread is because a WP member here is intending to take their test and possibly join and i want to prove to him hello!! !! !! the test is as useful as an ASH TRAY ON A MOTORCYCLE


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Ah but the hole in their cam is sat they welcome only 2% of the smartest into their group currently operating at 100,000 but If they changed thier tune to 120 million it would sound awfully less exclusive wouldn't it?


:lol:


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30 Jun 2009, 7:46 pm

actually tt Poster was me who started that topic, I am not one sidd at all as a psychologist scientist I must account for all the past 5 days I have been thinking constantly well not constantly but a lot of IQs and why it is defnked I willstart a topic on thursday as I am meeting my friend tomorrow and am perticularly nervous about missing the train so will be up all night hehe and sleep whe Ireturn and be up bright and early

I hereby in a contradictoy fashion of myself o say MENSA SUCKS



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30 Jun 2009, 7:59 pm

I don't see the appeal. I have seen a lot of people here saying "I could get in, but I'd prefer not to," and I definitely get that. I wouldn't join either--and not just because of the fees. (You'd think they could raise their own money. After all, if the Girl Scouts can do it...)

But is IQ really such a big part of your identity that you have to join a club just dedicated to IQ? High-IQ people are as diverse as low- and average-IQ people. If you're going to join a club for something you're really interested in, then join that. But high IQ? I mean... what!? It's like joining a club for tall people instead of joining a basketball team. I suppose I could see MENSA as a legitimate organization if its members were all interested in the concept and measurement of intelligence; but then they wouldn't need the IQ cutoff, would they? You don't have to be in the top 2% to be interested in that topic.

Yes. It is a different life to be better at academics than most people. But you will have the feeling of being "different" in common with minorities of all sorts, including people with special talents (and average IQ), celebrities, the homeless, racial minorities, the disabled... Autism has an alienating effect ten times as big as that of any IQ score you could hope to get.

I could see MENSA as a support group for people who are really smart and would like someone to talk to about the experience, and possibly as a sort of lobby for gifted education; because sure, the bright kids would like not being bored silly anymore, thank you. An entire organization revolving around intelligence, though? I dunno. I think it's kind of pointless--especially since the top 2% isn't all that different from the top 20%, really, until you get to the top tenth-percent or so. Sure, a 130 or 140 on your IQ test is good; but it's not really so much that you can't relate to anybody else. Leave the "unable to relate" intelligence to the one-in-a-million geniuses, and leave out the ones (Einstein, anybody?) who probably had autism on top of it, 'cause you can bet it wasn't their IQs that made them weird.

Me, I'm gonna look for my D&D group and my astronomy club and leave the high-IQ society to the people who, for some reason, don't mind paying money to hook up with other people who are vaguely like themselves, but with whom they will most likely not share common interests.


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30 Jun 2009, 8:06 pm

Mensa don't have a recommended schools policy oddly enough I guess that is one thing that would make people's head turn and spout elitist, I see why they would not do that

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30 Jun 2009, 8:11 pm

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I don't see the appeal. I have seen a lot of people here saying "I could get in, but I'd prefer not to," and I definitely get that. I wouldn't join either--and not just because of the fees. (You'd think they could raise their own money. After all, if the Girl Scouts can do it...)

But is IQ really such a big part of your identity that you have to join a club just dedicated to IQ? High-IQ people are as diverse as low- and average-IQ people. If you're going to join a club for something you're really interested in, then join that. But high IQ? I mean... what!? It's like joining a club for tall people instead of joining a basketball team. I suppose I could see MENSA as a legitimate organization if its members were all interested in the concept and measurement of intelligence; but then they wouldn't need the IQ cutoff, would they? You don't have to be in the top 2% to be interested in that topic.

Yes. It is a different life to be better at academics than most people. But you will have the feeling of being "different" in common with minorities of all sorts, including people with special talents (and average IQ), celebrities, the homeless, racial minorities, the disabled... Autism has an alienating effect ten times as big as that of any IQ score you could hope to get.

I could see MENSA as a support group for people who are really smart and would like someone to talk to about the experience, and possibly as a sort of lobby for gifted education; because sure, the bright kids would like not being bored silly anymore, thank you. An entire organization revolving around intelligence, though? I dunno. I think it's kind of pointless--especially since the top 2% isn't all that different from the top 20%, really, until you get to the top tenth-percent or so. Sure, a 130 or 140 on your IQ test is good; but it's not really so much that you can't relate to anybody else. Leave the "unable to relate" intelligence to the one-in-a-million geniuses, and leave out the ones (Einstein, anybody?) who probably had autism on top of it, 'cause you can bet it wasn't their IQs that made them weird.

Me, I'm gonna look for my D&D group and my astronomy club and leave the high-IQ society to the people who, for some reason, don't mind paying money to hook up with other people who are vaguely like themselves, but with whom they will most likely not share common interests.


this is also why i am surprised MENSA even survives right now....


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30 Jun 2009, 8:58 pm

My membership is lapsed because when I was in the military, it just seemed like too much trouble (if Omaha, NE, had a chapter, I never found out about it), and I've just been too chaotic to take care of it since.

However, the time I spent with San Diego Mensa (not all caps - it's not an acronym) was quite fun - especially the Pseudo-Cynics SIG (their specialty was holding parties that mocked the current season, such as February's "Make Him Sleep On the Wet Spot" Party, July's "Let's Rejoin the British" Party, and September's Back-To-School Beer-and-Cheese-Tasting Party). It was my first experience with a group that didn't regard me with scorn for having odd interests and an advanced vocabulary (in fact, I was called on to identify a slightly naughty word that had been played in a Scrabble game).

I think a lot of the disdain expressed here comes from either knowing one of the less pleasant elitists in the group (yes, they have them - any group with defined characteristics has them; hells, we've got a fair supply here on WP, starting "we-hate-NT" threads every other day!), or reading some of the papers written back when the organization was first conceived. Yes, originally the idea was to get "the best and smartest people" together to tell the world how it should be run; however, within a couple of years, it became quickly apparent that the world didn't want to hear how it should be run, and few of the newer members had any interest in telling it anyway. Mensa quickly evolved (or devolved, depending on your point of view) into a social organization for non-social people.

I still like the tale author Spider Robinson told, of his discussions with Mensan David Jenrette of Florida. The standard explanation is that "Mensa" comes from the Latin for "table"; David held that it was in fact from the Latin "menses", and referred to their periodic meetings. (Spider awarded this explanation a standing ovulation.)


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30 Jun 2009, 9:22 pm

ow just wow so that is what elite sub cultures do, we are neither elite nor a sub culture merely a communion of despins, I think you're quite wrong about a I hate NT thread they are merely bumped up or the individuals speaing inside them have very selective critisisms, I think you're interpretations are somewhat lacking of judgement as wrongplanet was set up as a meeting pace for autistics not a place for us to take over or judge the world. If it was the most adequate words to select would be OH I THINK WE SHOULD D IT THIS WAY there are not any of those but merely tidbits of information about policies, holes and other things being a psychologist and business student I specify in word use and placement as a hobby and have currently shifted that to defunk the use of IQ as it is a theory not a practise merely because it has too many gaping wounds in it.

do you play wow by the way noticed you had richard up