What's wrong wih a little intellectual conversation?

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22 Jul 2009, 1:51 am

I didn't have anyone to connect to when I was into politics. Other people just thought I was boring.

It's rare for me to find someone to have a long meaningful conversation with.


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22 Jul 2009, 4:14 am

I don't know; I don't recall ever having one.

However, I once heard that I just missed observing one between a group of nerds. Apparently, they were all trying to outdo one another. From the description, it didn't sound palatable.



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22 Jul 2009, 4:49 am

What's wrong with a little intellectual conversation?


That little word.



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22 Jul 2009, 4:57 am

I acctually connected with a group of my NT-classmates ones, I had about 6 hours of sleep that week and my brain feelt like if was made of clay or something like that. So I just shut it off and talked about whatever they talked about. (The fact that I even talked to them shows what bad shape I was in. ^^) Afterwards one of them came and was a little surpised that I was so nice and normal. I simply replyed that they shouldn't count on me continuing to be that way since I intended to get my sleep. :lol:

I wonder if that's how they allways feel. In that case I can understand why they don't talk about something els. :?


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22 Jul 2009, 10:17 am

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From experience I've recognized that if you try to have a conversation with people about something deep or philosophical, they tend to think that you're weird or that there's something wrong with you. They prefer to hear about what new features they discovered on their iPhones or what a certain actor/actress looks like naked or the latest episode of Family Guy, etc, etc. Don't get me wrong, I like to talk about my favorite movies, TV shows and sports teams from time to time, but I also like to have some intelligent conversations, too, more so than I like to converse about trivial things. I don't always want to lower myself to other people's standards so I can connect with them. It makes me feel strange to do that. Anyone else agree here?


I totally agree! I start talking about something, and I get that "look," the one that seems to say "What? You from Mars or something?"

My problem is also trying to explain something I'm talking about so that they might understand it. Then I'm accused of talking down to them. :roll:



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22 Jul 2009, 7:39 pm

From what I noticed, the average NT seen "intellectual" conversation as something that mandates an investment of time and effort. For casual situations, there is no point in doing that for them.

AS people have brains always thinking like that, so we can go into such a conversation on a moment's notice and end it when we need to move on.



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22 Jul 2009, 9:20 pm

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Most people don't have the focus to absorb subject matter that requires deep thought. They're monkeys, who exist to eat, fornicate and be entertained. Asking them to think just annoys them. :roll:

That's why it's such a rare delight to meet someone who actually does have something to say, and is interested in learning new things and bouncing ideas off another person. I'd rather have one friend like that, than a roomful of those monkey-folk. :monkey:


I agree. However I don't think that most people are like this, only some, depending on where you meet them. People from different 'groups' will prefer to talk about different things - some superficial, some intellectual and some topics that just seem stupid.
I think that if you are surrounded by "monkey-folk" then you are looking for people to talk to in the wrong place. I've met a few people online who like to have intellectual conversations so there must be some out there.


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22 Jul 2009, 9:37 pm

There is no social order in purely intellectual activity. Social order is the core purpose of much communication.

Can non-verbal communication ever be intellectual? Dont we get told that a significant proportion of communication is non-verbal?

Conclusion: intellectual and normal communication are at cross purposes.



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22 Jul 2009, 10:04 pm

I wonder.... does it have with been asperger, or being smart...? Smart people generally enjoy intellectual conversations. There a LOT of people on this forum, a lot of them are smart, and the tread is more likely to draw those who does enjoy intellectual conversations. Maybe is more to doe from thinking a lot, which mean it will be natural from being asperger and/or being smart.



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22 Jul 2009, 10:23 pm

You just need to chill with nerds. No, I don't have any friends like that. I once did and damn it, he moved.



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22 Jul 2009, 10:30 pm

Willard wrote:
Most people don't have the focus to absorb subject matter that requires deep thought. They're monkeys, who exist to eat, fornicate and be entertained. Asking them to think just annoys them. :roll:
:lol:

How very true , as they seem to correlate their experience with a narrow associative horizon 'seeing' only the surface of things.... as being caught up in a loop of sensations.
(I guess it's the nature of the beast.)



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23 Jul 2009, 9:23 pm

Most people just are not interested in such discussion or view them as relevant to their lives.

It's not just an NT thin, either, I have an aspie coworker who just wants to talk about Pokemon, movies, his fiance, pop music, and wrestling. anything intellectual and abstract goes right over his head.


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23 Jul 2009, 11:59 pm

bluerodent wrote:
From experience I've recognized that if you try to have a conversation with people about something deep or philosophical, they tend to think that you're weird or that there's something wrong with you. They prefer to hear about what new features they discovered on their iPhones or what a certain actor/actress looks like naked or the latest episode of Family Guy, etc, etc. Don't get me wrong, I like to talk about my favorite movies, TV shows and sports teams from time to time, but I also like to have some intelligent conversations, too, more so than I like to converse about trivial things. I don't always want to lower myself to other people's standards so I can connect with them. It makes me feel strange to do that. Anyone else agree here?


I often turn something like an episode of the Family Guy into a deep intellectual conversation, and drunks at a bar seem to be more accepting of allowing it to go to that level, but hey, beggars can't be choosers...lol

If all else fails, get them high and they'll talk deep. I love talking to stoners. They are not afraid of any topic while they are high. But you will easily lose their attention when they hit the munchies.



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24 Jul 2009, 7:03 am

Tantybi wrote:
bluerodent wrote:
I often turn something like an episode of the Family Guy into a deep intellectual conversation, and drunks at a bar seem to be more accepting of allowing it to go to that level, but hey, beggars can't be choosers...lol

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I figure that if it's possible to make college courses and write PhD papers about the most mundane things, then it should be possible to have an intellectual conversation about literally anything. I think the intellectual conversations that start from something mundane like a silly cartoon are the ones that can lead to the most interesting places. Sticking only to official "deep topics" is a sort of ghetto. There's a whole world out there and most of it is mundane. Until you look at it a lot more closely and then suddenly it isn't.



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24 Jul 2009, 12:18 pm

Janissy wrote:
Tantybi wrote:
bluerodent wrote:
I often turn something like an episode of the Family Guy into a deep intellectual conversation, and drunks at a bar seem to be more accepting of allowing it to go to that level, but hey, beggars can't be choosers...lol

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I figure that if it's possible to make college courses and write PhD papers about the most mundane things, then it should be possible to have an intellectual conversation about literally anything. I think the intellectual conversations that start from something mundane like a silly cartoon are the ones that can lead to the most interesting places. Sticking only to official "deep topics" is a sort of ghetto. There's a whole world out there and most of it is mundane. Until you look at it a lot more closely and then suddenly it isn't.


I think we surpassed intellectual and have the mindframe of a poet ;)



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24 Jul 2009, 12:19 pm

Janissy wrote:
Tantybi wrote:
bluerodent wrote:
I often turn something like an episode of the Family Guy into a deep intellectual conversation, and drunks at a bar seem to be more accepting of allowing it to go to that level, but hey, beggars can't be choosers...lol

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I figure that if it's possible to make college courses and write PhD papers about the most mundane things, then it should be possible to have an intellectual conversation about literally anything. I think the intellectual conversations that start from something mundane like a silly cartoon are the ones that can lead to the most interesting places. Sticking only to official "deep topics" is a sort of ghetto. There's a whole world out there and most of it is mundane. Until you look at it a lot more closely and then suddenly it isn't.


I think we surpassed intellectual and have the mindframe of a poet ;)

Edit to add... it reminds me of when I was taking Accounting 1 in college, I graphed a function of the debt to income ratio on my calculator. My professor didn't know what to think, but I knew what I was doing. Wouldn't now...man that was so long ago. I wouldn't even know how to turn on a graphic calculator anymore.