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15 Oct 2009, 1:28 am

this type of thing would be allowed in Canada.Our charter is done in a way whereby there is a clause that states that everyone is equal but disadvantaged groups take precedence over the majority.This means a company WILL be allowed to hire autistics only without any hassle, but if a company had a sign saying autistics are not allowed,that company would face stiff fines.


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15 Oct 2009, 2:05 am

It was an interesting article but in a sense I was surprised that it was supposed to be a revolutionary idea, as it seems quite obvious that people with ASDs tend to have a much greater ability to focus for long periods of time on one thing, and that if focused correctly this could be a powerful force.

I must, however, respectfully disagree that it's not possible at all for an NT person to focus for 4+ hours on one specific task. It's probably a much less common ability among NTs, but it's not non-existent. I have a number of family members who can and do do this, in some cases for a living even, and they are definitely not all on the autism spectrum. I have to agree with X_Parasite, it's kind of strange that NTs are excluded outright without even a chance to show their abilities. I do think it's great that they are expanding work opportunities for people who've been pretty much pushed to the side and ignored or considered useless, but it always irks me to hear about people not even being given a chance simply on the basis of who they are, and the fact that this time that applies to NTs and not people with ASDs doesn't make it any better in my mind. All prospective employees should be given the opportunity to show their skills, and that alone is what they should be judged on.



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17 Oct 2009, 3:22 am

X_Parasite wrote:
This model is good for press, to demonstrate certain advantages, but I'm detecting discrimination here. Why can't an NT have the job if they can do it the same? (Not likely, but they should get the chance.)

It should all be based upon individual qualifications, regardless of diagnosis.


That would be the optimal thing in the perfect society, ofcourse. But when will we accomplish that?
To be realistic, I think this kind of company is the best way to move in the right direction.

Denmark, and Scandinavia, have strict discriminatory laws as well. Which are in place to protect the minorities from the majority, rather than the other way around. I think since these companies are viewed as somewhat of a charity, they won't be sued.



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17 Oct 2009, 3:50 am

go_around wrote:
I have to agree with X_Parasite, it's kind of strange that NTs are excluded outright without even a chance to show their abilities.



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not strange at all.

there's more to it than doing the job...

most aspies loose their jobs because of factors that have NOTHING to do with their professional skills... (but instead e.g. their social skills).

by allowing NT's back into the pen, you recreate these wrong conditions... and you are back to zero.

working @ specialisterne her in denmark provides aspies with an environment that suits the aspies specific needs... introducing NT's would most likely destroy that... because they inherently don't have these needs - hence the NT label!



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17 Oct 2009, 4:22 am

it IS LEGAL, its called affirmative action...or Section 15 (2) of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms

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Equality before and under law and equal protection and benefit of law

15. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Affirmative action programs

(2) Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.(84)


Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms


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17 Oct 2009, 4:25 am

...That only applies in Canada.



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17 Oct 2009, 4:30 am

X_Parasite wrote:
...That only applies in Canada.


It also might apply in Britain and other commonwealth countries because Canada's laws are based on English Common Law and as such, other commonwealth countries use the laws and rulings of commonwealth countries when deciding court cases.


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17 Oct 2009, 4:33 am

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it's kind of strange that NTs are excluded outright without even a chance to show their abilities.


This has been done to aspies over and over again on the basis that they lack social skills and don't fit in.Aspies have been fired for not having social skills regardless of their technical abilities and performance.NTs have been excluding aspies numerous times.They already have advantages over aspies and therefore, affirmative action by this company does not put aspies at a higher advantage than NTs, it merely levels the playing field in the job market.


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