Help me explain to someone why we shouldn't eradicate autism

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12 Oct 2009, 10:52 pm

^^ Yes point taken! :)



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12 Oct 2009, 10:53 pm

Because we have a unique view of the world, and we don't have to be a part of Bloody mainstream society.


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12 Oct 2009, 11:21 pm

CanadianRose wrote:
Hi.

I was having Thanksgiving dinner with my sister and family (we celebrate this weekend in Canada). My sister is a neurotypical, suburban mother, married with two neurotypical children. They are not "rich", but fairly comfortable (fully paid for home, time shares, two fully paid for vehicles and the means to go on a few vacations every year and have nice clothes and things without carrying a any debt). They are just "perfect"

My sister is not a "bad" person, just a sheltered one. She cares about my autistic son and encourages different therapies to assist him to live to full potential (some of her recommendations are nonsensical, such as "DAN Doctors," some are reasonable, such as OTs used successfully by her friends who have children on the spectrum). She thinks that Autism Speaks is a wonderful organization.

I explained to her that I am not crazy about Autism Speaks because of their concentration on "finding a cure" rather than putting more $$$ for helping with inclusion. I also advised her that there are no adults with autism or aspergers on their board of directors or on their staff and that they do not consult with adults on the spectrum to help plan policy.

She wrinkled her nose at me at said, "Wouldn't you want your son cured." I said, "No, not necessarily. Autism is a part of what my son is. He will have his own way of doing things, but I accept him the way that he is and trust that he will grow and develop into a wonderful asset to society in his own way."

My sister was dumbfounded. She said that it would be better that autism could be prevented from the onset.

I tried to explain why neurodiversity is important. There is a good chance that having "autism" in the gene pool is protecting the human species in other ways. Also, the "gene" for autism might be in all of us - it might be a part of who all of us are - just some people are further on the spectrum then others. If we "eradicate" it - we might be eradicating Bill Gates and most scientists and mathematicians (as well as many other hardworking people in all areas).

My sister just scoffed at this.

Here is the thing - if anything ever happened to my husband or I, my sister is the only person within my family who I have who would be able to raise my children (my son is four, my daughter (neurotypical) is two). I do not want to to destroy the relationship with my sister however, I would invite anyone on this forum to help me find the words and the arguments to help sway her away from thinking that anything that isn't "normal" by her definition should be eradicated.

Please no "Canadian Rose sister bashing" and no foul language or violent thoughts to her. She is my sister.

However, in your words, explaining with level headed language, tell her why autism is not a bad thing and is important for humanity.

Thanks.


Education is first and foremost. Ask questions - would she have suggested that Helen Keller be killed, or cured? What of those with other conditions? Why do we find adaptions for those who are affected by other conditions, but have a deep fear of the relatively invisible state of being on the autistic spectrum? In order to change, one must be able to see things differently... which isn't just an ASD complication. Beliefs are ingrained and affect our perceptions; to paraphrase, "he who complies against his will is of the same opinion still" - we cannot force people to have different beliefs. You could also bring up a variation of the disease argument, in that a species with a smaller gene pool is less able to adapt to a change in circumstances, or survive a pandemic because of the homogeneous nature of their ability to react. While I do not agree that those on the spectrum are necessarily predisposed to greater intelligence, there is some basis to the idea that many of the revolutionary ideas in human society came from those who saw things differently. Being on the spectrum does mean that one's perception of the world is fundamentally different than those who are not, which in turn provides a greater vision of what-might-be instead of simply seeing what is expected. Lastly, I find perseverance to be an admirable quality - is that something she would seek to cure?


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13 Oct 2009, 12:05 am

You shouldn't because to eradicate the autism, you would have to eradicate the autistics.


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13 Oct 2009, 4:24 am

Because AS genes have moved the world since the begining. Point out to her that his car work because... and satellites works because...

just read here: http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/pu ... 2086.shtml


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13 Oct 2009, 8:00 am

On the other hand, it shouldn't be suggested that we deserve to live despite of our autism, because we, or some of us, are geniuses. We deserve to live because we are humans.

I say this because I once read an article in a paper that discussed if we should abort autistics if it became a possibility. One was in the article quoted to answer, no we shouldn't, because autistic people were often geniuses.

Well, that sounded sympathetic immediately... but then I thought: but if we hadn't had certain skills, would it have been right to abort us because we are "wrong"? But now when we are so smart, we get permission to live - despite of our autism... and only because of our abilities we have the right to live - not because we are humans?



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13 Oct 2009, 8:21 am

The only way I've ever been able to figure others will understand is if I put it in terms of them... which is HILARIOUS, because that is one of the reasons I got my diagnosis-not being able to see things from another's point of view and needing things explained in terms of me. I just kind of took that bit of information and turned it around and boy does it work wonders... I really think theory of mind is a joke with how many things like this I've run into based on observation.

Maybe try setting up a situation for her in her mind... that she is the only one who thinks the way that she does now, but everyone else thinks differently-everyone else is autistic. So would she think she needed to completely be "reprogrammed" to be autistic in that situation? Or would she just think she needed to learn to understand better so that she could communicate? Should she be shunned or made the center of attention to be "cured", or just accepted and taught?

If she can't or just doesn't want to grasp that scenario, or discuss it in any way, then it sounds like she is just set in her mind... and I suppose I can understand that to some extent, as I know personally when I get something in MY MIND, I will not bend until proof is provided. In this case, most of everything is simply opinion based and there is no way to prove anything, so likely she will just keep this opinion.

I would not worry so much about actually getting her to change her opinion, but the struggle is moreso figuring out a way just for her to acknowledge your point of view at least. It's irritating to feel like you are talking to a brick wall on issues like that, and sometimes just for someone to say, "I understand what you are saying, but still have to disagree. Let's just agree to disagree" can make a pretty big difference, because at least you are being heard, and the other person can understand it.

The understanding to begin with is half the battle, so acknowledgment seems to be a pretty big deal.


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