Autism in relation to ADD
The DSM is not God. It can be wrong. Which is why it is frequently revised. The US are more sticklers for not dxing an ASD and an Attention Deficit Disorder together, but even though the ICD stipulates the same thing, Europe and the rest of the world don't follow it as much. You'll find dxes of an ASD and either ADD or ADHD occuring a lot more frequently together outside of the US.
Use the DSM, but don't rely on it. And use your eyes, Neant. If the symptoms are there, they are there. The main reason they've stipulated that an ASD and ADD or ADHD can't occur together is because there's so much potential to misdx the lot of them for the other. That's the only reason. They wanted to simplify it for the diagnostiticians. But they can occur together and frequently do. And I hope one day that ridiculous and blind criterion is torn from those books.
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I've ranted more than enough on this topic. I'll just say that as long as you have understanding, it doesn't matter what the name of something is or what a doctor has diagnosed you with. As long as there's inderstanding and the ability to cope, a dx has little use.
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Note: Just in case anyones's unsure, I am joking around. Also, NeantHumain, let's not turn this into a fight.
I was just saying that, according to the official criteria, you cannot have both diagnoses. I do not doubt that many professionals diagnose both, and I see nothing wrong with that. I do not understand why there is this defensive reaction when I was merely trying to explain what appeared to be a misreading of the literal text.
Is that because Autism involves hyperfocusing; and ADD is an inability to focus?
If it is, couldn't you be able to hyperfocus on some things (i.e., Aspie "specialist subjects") and have trouble paying attention to others--thus "ADD"?
Or do the professionals who think you cannot have both, believe that ADD in someone with autism is a feature of the autism and not ADD itself?
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Note: Just in case anyones's unsure, I am joking around. Also, NeantHumain, let's not turn this into a fight.
I was just saying that, according to the official criteria, you cannot have both diagnoses. I do not doubt that many professionals diagnose both, and I see nothing wrong with that. I do not understand why there is this defensive reaction when I was merely trying to explain what appeared to be a misreading of the literal text.
I think that's because most folks disagree with the literal text who've been posting back and forth. You already know I'm one of them.
If it is, couldn't you be able to hyperfocus on some things (i.e., Aspie "specialist subjects") and have trouble paying attention to others--thus "ADD"?
Or do the professionals who think you cannot have both, believe that ADD in someone with autism is a feature of the autism and not ADD itself?
I think some of these symptoms can appear so similar from the outside that professionals try to avoid the confusion of it all. Plus, I think many believe, even if they do exist together, that "Autism" is the more debilitating and so the ADD or ADHD is sort of thought of as superfluous. But it makes me think they've not done much research on it because so many of us show Attention Deficit symptoms.
I, myself, am well aware of the difference between my ability to hyperfocus and my wandering attention.
I don't think they've really ever asked us. They base research I'd suspect on children who aren't very capable of representing and explaining themselves.
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I think I have Some sort of mix between the two.Like I zone out sometimes and get easily distracted from most things.I Have no organization skills at all and im impulsive in social situations.Sounds like ADD right.But I stim,miss social cues,avoid eye contact,have a few tics,am obsessively interested in history,very logical and(when i can)do things very mithodicly(spelling?).What do i want to be labled?Don't really care to tell the truth,i'm just trying to live my life
Hold UP
First off, isn't it pure fact that every aspie is different? I mean saying that each and every one is focues and attentive is a stereotype. Also, they only pay attention to specific things, such as color and other related types. ADD patients mainly aren't responsive to something as much as they could be, and they will lose that attention. AS patients may do the same, and also may not respond to a person when they are beng spoken to for a different reason. Anyway they have the Autism Spectrum for a reason, because no peroson is the same, but they can be similar.
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Dual Diagnosis (and that has a differnt meaning in clinical settings i might add) i am fairly open minded too. I am open to their being people who are AS plus another neurodiverse condition.
For me I get immensely sketpical of multiple diagnosis which I have come across here in the Uk. I mean I can't really form what exactly this person would act like if they are...and I'll use a personal example here
Severe Dyspraxia
Dyslexia
Aspergers
Tourette Syndrome
ADD
ODD
OCD
....What kind of person would you expect to see...I can't concieve it and im not sure how they got this diagnosis
For me I get immensely sketpical of multiple diagnosis which I have come across here in the Uk. I mean I can't really form what exactly this person would act like if they are...and I'll use a personal example here
Severe Dyspraxia
Dyslexia
Aspergers
Tourette Syndrome
ADD
ODD
OCD
....What kind of person would you expect to see...I can't concieve it and im not sure how they got this diagnosis
I'd see a very special boy: impulsive and distractable, anxious and obsessive, clumsy, easily frustrated, poor emotional control, twitchy, slow learner because of reading disability and short attention span, a complete social misfit. I would assume that he has a genetic mutation or some kind of early brain trauma to get so many developmental disorders rolled into one person.
I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child and then ADD as a tween and finally Asperser as a teen. So yes I think there is a direct correlation for both disorders. Sometimes maybe symptoms can even be mistaken for each other. My mother is Dyslexic and ADHD and she can go on for hours talking about subjects that interest her and only her. She has no theory of the mind; she misconstrues every social rule and situation; and she has sensory dysfunctions mainly with light and sound. Based on this I guess she would seem like a total aspie but neither her doctor nor her psychologist has brought up this possibility. Sometimes I doubt that I am autistic because I can’t remember any details with Rain Man accuracy, I’m messy, untidy, and I really have a hard time sitting still during lectures without doodling or something.
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