Am I the only one who don't want a job?

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22 Oct 2009, 11:33 am

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Why would anyone want a job? How about self respect? Why do you expect others to support you because you find most work boring and unsatisfying? Welcome to the real world. There are times when all of us (NT's included) have to do things we don't want to do. It's called being a grown up. That doesn't mean you have to like or to do it forever but why should anyone else have to pay (through their tax dollars) for your chosen lifestyle?

I'm sorry if I'm coming off a bit harsh here but really, it's unfair to ask the rest of us to support someones lack of ambition. I guess what I'm saying is if that's what floats your boat, fine, but do it on your dime, not ours.


It isn't a chosen lifestyle. I couldn't handle work even if I were interested in it. The various jobs I've had, I couldn't handle simple instructions, focus, sit or stand still and do what was asked of me or generally understand the things I had to understand to be productive. On top of that, co-workers made fun of me because of my body language and because I "seemed different" than everyone else, and then made fun of me more because of the lack of productivity.

NTs like yourself can handle stress and difficult people. I can't speak for other ASers, but when I'm put in a situation of overwhelming stress, I get suicidally depressed, start thinking "I'm the problem" and NTs are right.

Excuse me for valuing my own mental and physical health. I HAD to tolerate people making fun of me in high school. I don't have to be a part of the real world. And 400 dollars a month from the government isn't a lot to survive on. It barely pays for middle of the road clothing and groceries.



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22 Oct 2009, 11:37 am

I'm not talking about someone who can't work. I'm talking about someone who doesn't want to work. We all have to do things that are unpleasant & stressful at times. You don't think NT's have stress at work? Get bullied? Feel unappreciated? I value my mental health as well. That's why I started working for myself. : )


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Why would anyone want a job? How about self respect? Why do you expect others to support you because you find most work boring and unsatisfying? Welcome to the real world. There are times when all of us (NT's included) have to do things we don't want to do. It's called being a grown up. That doesn't mean you have to like or to do it forever but why should anyone else have to pay (through their tax dollars) for your chosen lifestyle?

I'm sorry if I'm coming off a bit harsh here but really, it's unfair to ask the rest of us to support someones lack of ambition. I guess what I'm saying is if that's what floats your boat, fine, but do it on your dime, not ours.


It isn't a chosen lifestyle. I couldn't handle work even if I were interested in it. The various jobs I've had, I couldn't handle simple instructions, focus, sit or stand still and do what was asked of me or generally understand the things I had to understand to be productive. On top of that, co-workers made fun of me because of my body language and because I "seemed different" than everyone else, and then made fun of me more because of the lack of productivity.

NTs like yourself can handle stress and difficult people. I can't speak for other ASers, but when I'm put in a situation of overwhelming stress, I get suicidally depressed, start thinking "I'm the problem" and NTs are right.

Excuse me for valuing my own mental and physical health. I HAD to tolerate people making fun of me in high school. I don't have to be a part of the real world. And 400 dollars a month from the government isn't a lot to survive on. It barely pays for middle of the road clothing and groceries.



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22 Oct 2009, 11:40 am

Ok, someone who is fully capable of working (AS or NT) and chooses not to due to a superiority complex, I agree, that's a problem.



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22 Oct 2009, 12:33 pm

I can't work and don't want to. I finished high school but had loads of trouble on the way due to social issues and deep depression. Went to uni afterwards and left during the first week... I just can't manage to deal with other people every day. It caused so much stress and anxiety... It was horrible. :( Exactly the same thing happened when I started working. During high school I was absent for at least a day every week. Teachers called me "the tourist" lol, they had no clue about the problems I was facing. I was suffering from migraine headaches weekly, due to all the stress and discomfort. Nowdays I'm living in solitude and the migraine magically disappeared, haven't had a migraine attack for years.

Work or a job is something I view as 'unfree labor', not sure about the correct English term. I mean, nobody asked to be born in a world like this, you can't really force anyone to make a decision between getting a job or death... Every human being should be able to have access to food, a home, clothing, medical care, respect, love, etc..., no matter what.


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22 Oct 2009, 12:40 pm

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Work or a job is something I view as 'unfree labor', not sure about the correct English term. .


"Slave labour" is the expression I believe you're thinking of :) .



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22 Oct 2009, 1:43 pm

hm....I better be careful in how I put my words here I see....

Well, I got paid jobs in 8 years of my past, so I got the experience of working hard and for surviving to be able to pay the rent and food. I struggled like hell with it until I collapsed and eventually got my diagnosis of AS. Since then I have tried some "protected workplaces" but the struggling didnt disappear because of that and because of Im aware of my diagnosis

Now I havent worked since 1 ½ year and I havent felt better ever in my life!

BUT I have TRIED to get something officially "to do" during this time. I have too many times been met by rude arrogant people who have either no knowledge or understanding of AS who have insulted me when I have tried to apply for a practice workplace. They have both put my selfconfidence in the mud and increased my social phobia to the worse

I would probably be better off beeing my own employer. I have skills I can use and make a business out of but I dont think I would be able to handle that either. Because Im an artist who do creative things and that comes out of my spontanious heart. If I should be forced to make things out of requests from others and out of the pressure I need money for it, then the creativity would die emediately. So that idea doesnt work either. I dont know what would WORK for me. I have honestly tried and will keep trying even if I dont have motivation to work. Because I know its part of the modern society and I need to be trained in things I avoid and think is difficult

So, in other words: YES I dont want a job!! !


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22 Oct 2009, 3:30 pm

i want to work, but it should have someting i like even at someparts to outweigth sosial stuff :P
i have problems keeping job because of sosial side


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22 Oct 2009, 3:43 pm

I don't want a job either, or at least not a typical one. The stress from it overwhelms the benefits, I just end up wanting to harm myself. I can barely tolerate school two days a week. It's not that I feel entitled at all, it's more that I always end up at the same old feeling of 'what's the point?'



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22 Oct 2009, 4:50 pm

I think majority of people on this planet would prefer not to work if they were given the opportunity. It has absolutely nothing to do with AS. Just look at the millions of lowforeheads who buy lottery tickets. I bet you that quitting their jobs is the most common motivation for doing a stupid thing like that.

Personally, I'd be bored out of my mind if I had nothing to do. Because my job matches my special interest, I actually love my job. I have no debt and enough assets to retire today if I wanted to. But, my job is the only place where I can go, lock the door behind and tell my secretary that I do not want to be bothered under any circumstances. Then, I can relax and enjoy my hobby, which also happens to pay well. The alternative to this paradise would be sitting at home with the screaming kids and wife vying for attention. It's incredibly exhausting, I can only take a few hours of that crap a day.



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22 Oct 2009, 6:01 pm

I'll admit, its EXTREMELY hard to find a job that matches interests. For instance, id love to be a beta tester or desgner for card/board games. But, nothing like that exists in this state :( That aside, i really enjoy learning, but the closest thing would be a research assistant (which exist out here, but theyre picky about requirements). Currently, im working for a group that runs convenience stores and a college kitchen, of which im responsible for maintenance and restock. I like the fact that social interaction is limited, but it doesnt have much appeal to my interests <sigh>. In the end, you have to play to game to survive . . . just be sure you understand the job and what it requires of you (calling isnt as painful, for those with social issues, and no facial expressions to read). "Hey, i read about this job from <source>. What kinds of things is this position responsible for and in what kind of setting?" Just listen to what they say, then say, "Thanks for the information." You dont even need to tell them your name, because it will only be important to them if you actually turn in an application and, later, get an interview. Just think of it as getting what you need long enough to decide what to make of your future (nothing is permanent when it comes to jobs/careers).



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22 Oct 2009, 6:20 pm

I'm willing to go get a low level job, but only because it's necessary. I like my daily routine the way it is, I suck at dealing with people, and I tend to get bored and zone out unless it's something I'm interested in.


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22 Oct 2009, 7:22 pm

I think the reason why I lack ANY ambition is because I've been pushed down and beaten around all my life that I cant see myself doing ANYTHING...not even the stuff I'm interested in...and I question how much I am interested in the stuff I am interested in. heh....

Thus I dont see myself capable of doing anything ever...

No job for me, please :P



22 Oct 2009, 8:55 pm

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Am I the only in the Universe like this? In WP I read sometimes complaining about not been able to find a job. And for me, I don't want a job. Working bore me A LOT. At least in school I was learning things and the differents subjects give some variety, I could manage the work. But a job.... In true I don't see any job that could interessing enough for not be boring and that is in my reach. Welfare give enough for surviving. It's not a lot, but is still better that had to work. I will not say I'm happy, but I certainly can't find happyness in work. Everyone want to work, except me. WHY!? Am I the only one like this?



You are abusing welfare. Welfare is for people who can't work and it sickens me when people like you abuse it because they don't want to work. There is a difference between people not working because they are unable to and people who don't work because they have tried getting a job but can never get one vs the ones who don't want a job. Yeah jobs are boring but they are part of life and you're being lazy when you don't try and get a job.


Waiting for the flames now everyone I know people are going to get pissed at my honesty here because I'm right. Call me ignorant and whatever. Waiting for the name calling now. I don't care.



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22 Oct 2009, 9:10 pm

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Am I the only in the Universe like this? In WP I read sometimes complaining about not been able to find a job. And for me, I don't want a job


Not me. I need a job. When I don't work I get really depressed. Heck, I went through a bout of depression when they told me I was working to much and cut me back to 40 hours a week. AAaarrgghhh!!

Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night or work all night because I have something I am trying to solve.

But then again, I have been told I treat my job like a special interest.



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22 Oct 2009, 9:13 pm

I admit - I enjoy my work - yes, it is stressful, but I would feel bored and stagnated without meaningful employment.

If I couldn't work for some reason - I would probably find a way to volunteer my time/skills. It could be something as mundane as washing dishes at a non-profit program in the community (such as at a soup kitchen or seniors lunch program or ??) or doing data entry for another non profit. This way, I would be getting out of the house and contributing to my community.

For people who are on assisance because they are unable to handle the stress of regular work - I would recommend looking into a low-stress volunteer job (check our local city directory for a volunteer placement organization).



22 Oct 2009, 9:41 pm

I like you. I admire your honesty and you aren't one of those none aspies who use our condition as an excuse for our behavior and all. Seems like some people in this thread are failing to see the main thing is: people not wanting to work. But instead people think it's about people who can't work or handle having one. The OP only mentioned not wanting to work due to the boredom of it, not due to the stress and people and sensory issues.

My mom was bullied at her job too by her boss so that's why she got another job somewhere else and she is not an aspie.

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I'm not talking about someone who can't work. I'm talking about someone who doesn't want to work. We all have to do things that are unpleasant & stressful at times. You don't think NT's have stress at work? Get bullied? Feel unappreciated? I value my mental health as well. That's why I started working for myself. : )


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granatelli wrote:
Why would anyone want a job? How about self respect? Why do you expect others to support you because you find most work boring and unsatisfying? Welcome to the real world. There are times when all of us (NT's included) have to do things we don't want to do. It's called being a grown up. That doesn't mean you have to like or to do it forever but why should anyone else have to pay (through their tax dollars) for your chosen lifestyle?

I'm sorry if I'm coming off a bit harsh here but really, it's unfair to ask the rest of us to support someones lack of ambition. I guess what I'm saying is if that's what floats your boat, fine, but do it on your dime, not ours.


It isn't a chosen lifestyle. I couldn't handle work even if I were interested in it. The various jobs I've had, I couldn't handle simple instructions, focus, sit or stand still and do what was asked of me or generally understand the things I had to understand to be productive. On top of that, co-workers made fun of me because of my body language and because I "seemed different" than everyone else, and then made fun of me more because of the lack of productivity.

NTs like yourself can handle stress and difficult people. I can't speak for other ASers, but when I'm put in a situation of overwhelming stress, I get suicidally depressed, start thinking "I'm the problem" and NTs are right.

Excuse me for valuing my own mental and physical health. I HAD to tolerate people making fun of me in high school. I don't have to be a part of the real world. And 400 dollars a month from the government isn't a lot to survive on. It barely pays for middle of the road clothing and groceries.