Getting an ASD diagnosis as an adult, some tips!
Here is the question: where is that line? How do you know when you're not using coping strategies, and when you're actively acting more stereotypically AS? And of course, if the doctor is familiar with less stereotypical AS, it won't matter much in the first place, and if they're not, you might need to act more stereotypical for them to ever recognize it.
I agree there's a fine line between not applying coping strategies and fudging things. That's why I think it's important to take time out before the DX and try to become familiar with what are coping strategies and what aren't. But there's always going to be a grey area. I still don't know whether I was "faking" slightly when I first talked to my GP about AS, or whether I was just being myself. For similar reasons, I deliberately refused to study AS until after I'd done the self-test questionnaires....even then, I was worried that I might have been saying "can't" do this or that when I meant "would rather not." But really, who would want to be falsely diagnosed with AS? The kind of adjustments you get would do you little good if you were neurotypical. Of course if you're sure you have AS, but think the diagnostician is biased against accepting that, then cheating is probably the only way of getting the correct DX, though I suspect that if the DXer is biased, then they'll just stick to their opinion anyway, and no amount of contriving will change it.
Personally, I think you should just be as honest as possible. You can use your coping strategies, but explain them in thorough detail. The Psychologist won't care if you're long winded. I personally went in with papers of research, drawings, online tests, everything I've uncovered about the autism spectrum. I wrote down every DSM IV criteria that applied to me and all the ones that didn't as well. I knew I didn't quite have enough criteria for an AS diagnosis (because I have an active imagination) but I wanted to get a professional opinion anyway. I wasn't diagnosed with AS but I was diagnosed with PDD-NOS. That was honestly fine with me. I needed a label to describe what I've been going through all my life but it didn't NEED to be AS. I'm happy with what she said, "You're somwhere on the autistic spectrum, that's for sure. You're just too high functioning to have AS." I have a feeling this is what most of you all, who are worried you won't get a diagnosis, would be diagnosed with.
I don't think I was doctor-bashing.. not across the board, anyway. I mean, you can't get an AS diagnosis from a doctor who doesn't know anything about it, so finding a doctor who is familiar with it and works with adults is a huge part of getting a diagnosis as an adult. A lot of symptoms can also be interpreted in multiple ways, so that the same symptoms could be re-interpreted to be caused by completely different underlying problems. A huge part of my eventual realization that I must be somewhere on the autism spectrum came from ruling out other problems, partially because the treatments would backfire. For example, treating social problems as stemming from social anxiety works on the assumption that if you eliminate the anxiety, the person already has a basic idea of human interactions, how to relate to people, what is appropriate, how to take social cues, how to tell when someone is joking, etc., but that those things are blocked by fear and nervousness. So the goal of treatment is to "trust yourself," eliminate anxiety, etc. But for me, the social problems aren't so much caused by fear as the other way around. I'm afraid in social situations because I tend to screw them up, because I don't know how to recognize intentions, because I have trouble knowing what is appropriate, because I can't relate to people correctly. So giving me confidence without first teaching me how to correctly interact with people will lead to me being inappropriate, getting into trouble when I can't figure out if someone is joking or not, stuff like that.
I'm fairly certain that the importance of finding a professional who understands all that is at least as important, if not more so, than anything that you can say once you've already met them, because a lot of people just don't change their minds about things. You can give information to some people, but others you have to be able to recognize and just avoid. Someone who thinks that autism only occurs in boys, or is synonymous with mental retardation, is not going to diagnose me no matter what I say or do.
Recognizing when people are making things up is something that's really difficult for people on the autism spectrum, but most professionals don't admit when they don't know about something, so the process of looking for a diagnosis kinda hinges on being able to tell if the doctor knows what they're talking about. My psychiatrist seemed to think it was silly that she would know about autism. She said she's not a developmental psychiatrist, that's just not something she works with, so how would she know about it?
In order to get an accurate diagnosis, anybody here really needs to see someone who does know about autism, because if a doctor isn't qualified to diagnose it, they're also really not qualified to rule it out either. I don't think that's doctor-bashing, it's information that's necessary to getting a diagnosis, whether that diagnosis is autism or not. If it seems like it could be autism, a professional would have to be familiar with autism and how it presents in less stereotypical populations not only to diagnose it, but also to diagnose those symptoms as something else.
I respect doctors who don't make diagnoses based on superficial acquaintance with symptoms. I've had so many decide I was just depressed because that was my most obvious symptom, and refuse to look further although I insisted I felt there was something else going on.
I'm fairly certain that the importance of finding a professional who understands all that is at least as important, if not more so, than anything that you can say once you've already met them, because a lot of people just don't change their minds about things. You can give information to some people, but others you have to be able to recognize and just avoid. Someone who thinks that autism only occurs in boys, or is synonymous with mental retardation, is not going to diagnose me no matter what I say or do.
Recognizing when people are making things up is something that's really difficult for people on the autism spectrum, but most professionals don't admit when they don't know about something, so the process of looking for a diagnosis kinda hinges on being able to tell if the doctor knows what they're talking about. My psychiatrist seemed to think it was silly that she would know about autism. She said she's not a developmental psychiatrist, that's just not something she works with, so how would she know about it?
In order to get an accurate diagnosis, anybody here really needs to see someone who does know about autism, because if a doctor isn't qualified to diagnose it, they're also really not qualified to rule it out either. I don't think that's doctor-bashing, it's information that's necessary to getting a diagnosis, whether that diagnosis is autism or not. If it seems like it could be autism, a professional would have to be familiar with autism and how it presents in less stereotypical populations not only to diagnose it, but also to diagnose those symptoms as something else.
well obviously this thread is about what to do when you can not find someone who is overly knowledgeable on ASDs. when you don't have that option available. why would i make a thread for people seeing an ASD specialist? they wouldn't need this information (as i stated somewhere above as well)!
of course it's always better to see a professional who specializes in the area, but some people aren't always in that position.
this is about what people who are undiagnosed can do to help their diagnostic process go smoother when they are unable to find a professional who specializes in ASDs. so unless you can give any advice or information relating to THAT, there is no need to add anything...
What someone should do in that instance is keep looking. An opinion given by someone who does not have specific clinical expertise in respect of Autistic assessment and diagnosis is not a diagnosis; it’s an opinion, much like your local car mechanic of post delivery person could give you. Much like you could give yourself for that matter.
The only purpose of discussing these matters with someone who does not have specialist expertise is to obtain a referral to such a person. Nothing anyone else tells you is any better qualified than an intelligent and determined person could figure out for themselves, and any opinion a non specialist gives is no more clinical in nature than your own.
That said, many people will find that to access a specialist they need to convince someone to make a referral and perhaps to use their professional contacts and knowledge to find a suitable specialist to refer them to. So there is most certainly a use for this thread, but by no means does that imply anyone should be taking the word of anyone who does not have specialist Autistic assessment expertise when it comes to diagnosing Autistic Spectrum Disorders. It’s just not safe or reliable to take anyone else’s word for it, or at least no more reliable than consulting a random lay person.
That's really not obvious, nor is it particularly true. You can't just go to any professional and get a diagnosis. As far as I know, they have to specialize. Most won't even address it at all. The issue that's in question is when someone who is not completely typical of AS (like being an adult, being female, etc.) goes to a specialist who isn't familiar with that population.
this is about what people who are undiagnosed can do to help their diagnostic process go smoother when they are unable to find a professional who specializes in ASDs. so unless you can give any advice or information relating to THAT, there is no need to add anything...
As I said above.. a general psychiatrist or therapist will not address it at all. You can't just go in and give them an education about it. Either they'll admit to not knowing anything about it, or they'll make something up to dismiss it.
It may sometimes be possible to go to a child psychiatrist who doesn't specialize in autism, because they'd at least have some familiarity, and then the suggestions you gave would make some sense. But none of the things you said really have any validity at all if you're going to a general psychiatrist or therapist. It's not something that they deal with. At all.
This isn't doctor-bashing, it's just a fact that most undiagnosed people just have to deal with. Autism not something that's regularly addressed in psych classes, either. I spent years studying psychology, and it wasn't something we ever learned about in any depth at all. A professional who works with adults and doesn't specialize in ASDs won't be familiar enough with them for your suggestions to make any difference.. everything you're saying is for dealing with a professional who is familiar with autism, but in children, just not in adults.
Nice thread. I thought it might be good to add in these, which are some tips about how to ask about a professional's experience & qualifications. This is excerpted from a post by Jim Sinclair on the AutreatInfo group (Yahoo group):
(credentials, training, experience) in general. Is this a
psychologist, a psychiatrist, a counselor, a social worker? An allied
health professional such as a speech, physical, or occupational
therapist? A clinically trained and certified nutritionist or massage
therapist? A trained but unregulated practitioner of alternative
therapies? A person with no formal training at all?
Then ask about their autism-specific training and experience: What do they know about autism, and how did they learn it? Making this an open question, like "What is your understanding of autism?" or "How would you describe or explain autism?" would be a good way to find out the therapist's beliefs and attitudes. Much better than giving them a
checklist asking if they agree or disagree with various principles.
How many autistic clients have they worked with? Then ask for general
demographic information about their autistic clients: Have they worked
primarily with children, adults, or both; people living with their
parents, people living in their own homes, people who have partners
and/or children of their own, people living in residential facilities;
people who communicate with speech, people who communicate with
language but not speech, people who don't use language much at all;
people who are receiving services that someone else directs, people
who are self-directing with their support services, people who are not
receiving formal support services; etc. A prospective client should be
able to look at a referral listing and get some sense of the answer to
"Does this therapist have any experience with autistic people who are
'like me'?"
As to just walking into a general psych's office, and expecting that a little education will do the trick -- you can't 100% count on that. Doctors are human, and mostly NT, and as much as it seems silly, they go on a combination of impressions and logic, not just logic, as one might think. Also you can run into "not invented here" syndrome -- if they didn't think of it first, then it's not the case. I've run into that for physical stuff with doctors -- they can get an idea in their head that they like "too much," maybe because it's their speciality, or they have an erroneous idea about some "classic sign/rule-out," and etc. They aren't computers -- ie if you don't seem depressed (like because it doesn't show the usual way) then they likely won't end up diagnosing you with it.
And this isn't doctor bashing, it's describing experiences. If I said "all doctors are a-holes" that would be bashing.
I'm 26, and I don't make eye contact at all, and I know it'll be the same if I live till I'm in my forties (hey, one can't see the future). All of my symptoms are just as profound now as they were when I was a child (except the problems with semantics, but that caught up); some are worst, some are a little better, but they're all there just the same.
It's not due to a lack of learnt behaviour (I've learnt a lot about social interaction in theory), it's due to the pain involved, and the pain isn't worth experiencing.
It's not due to a lack of learnt behaviour (I've learnt a lot about social interaction in theory), it's due to the pain involved, and the pain isn't worth experiencing.
i'm the same age as you!
do you think maybe you're lower functioning then AS or HFA?? or is it just part of your personality that you don't wanna deal with that kinda stuff? just wondering.
Though, behavior is going to be someone's level of pain vs how willing & able they are to abuse themselves. Not that I like the idea, but there are the programs that "train" autistic kids to make eye contact, and they do have some "success" in doing that, so behavior can be modified, even if it's not a good idea.
The kid may develop PTSD in the process, and be in constant pain, but s/he might be able to pull it off if punished hard enough. ie If a kid gets yelled at enough to "look at me!", the pain of doing it for a second might seem worth it if it makes the yelling stop.
I agree with that very much.
It also makes diagnosis even more difficult, because so many people will have so many PTSD symptoms, and end up in therapy for that, with professionals who can't recognize autism. That really backfires because a lot of that therapy focuses on interpersonal stuff, which again gets the ASD patient blamed when the therapy fails. You're supposed to make these certain connections, feel certain things in therapy, but if you have an undiagnosed ASD, that just doesn't work, because a person with an ASD who has successfully worked through a trauma is not going to look all that much like a normal person who has successfully worked through a trauma. I'm not sure a person with an ASD can ever "perform correctly" for a therapist who isn't familiar with autism.. the baseline is different. And it makes total sense that a therapist would be getting frustrated that that point, where things seem to have been worked though, where they've gone through what they would go through with other patients, done the same work, and the results aren't the same. I don't know what kind of solution there could really be for that kind of issue, besides more widespread testing for possible ASDs in people seeking therapy, to try to figure out who actually needs something more than standard therapy. Some kind of standard mini-screening for features of autism may actually end up being cost-effective, eliminating a lot of inappropriate therapy that doesn't really go anywhere, or backtracks towards the end.
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Yes!
I was diagnosed as an adult. It went something like this:
*We got an AS dx for our daughter. I read everything I could. I recognized myself and my husband in what I was reading. The curiosity became enough that we sought a formal dx.
*Found a psychologist who said he did dx for adults on the spectrum. I explained why I thought we both (dh and I) were aspies, too. He said we were too high functioning. This is where inside I was screaming BUT I'VE HAD TO ACCOMMODATE TO GET ALONG IN THE WORLD! So I made a point of not looking at him. Sometimes I just CANNOT look people in the eye. Sometimes I can. I made sure I did not. I pointed out that as a child I always looked people in the mouth when they spoke. I thought I was maybe hearing impaired and needed to read lips. And while I do find it easier to know what people are saying by watching thier mouths, I think partly it was a way to not look people in the eyes but still be looking in the general direction of the face.
*In the end both my husband and I were found to have Aspergers.
Here's where it gets interesting: this past week my family was in Hamilton, Ontario to meet with the folks from the Genetics in Autism Studies at McMaster University. I got a meeting with Dr. Marc Woodbury-Smith (who is a really lovely man, btw) and at the end of our meeting he'd changed my dx from AS to PDD-NOS. He also mentioned BAP - Broad Autistic Phenotype, which I'd not heard before and assume is maybe a UK term.
I'd already done some research on him since I knew I would be seeing him. He's authored a number of things, including stuff with Simon Baron-Cohen. (He and Tony Attwood are who comes to mind right away when I think of top docs on AS) My feeling is that he, Dr. Woodbury-Smith, is far more capable of giving an adult a dx, given adults with Aspergers are his specialty.
So while the local psychologist who said he can diagnose adults was fine, it took a true specialist in ASD and *adults* to fine tune the dx. (The psychologist we used originally was a child psychologist who said he was competent with adults.)
That's my story. FOR SURE you need someone who understands that if you've made it to adulthood chances are you've learned to adapt to some extent.
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