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29 Nov 2009, 3:05 pm

I think all neurodivergent conditions are related to each other.
Some, like autism and ad(h)d, are related very obviously.
Others, like autism and bipolar, are related less obviously, but are still related.
After all, all neurodivergent conditions are integral parts of the Neurodiversity Spectrum.

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29 Nov 2009, 10:08 pm

I have read that some believe that AD(H)D falls on the autism spectrum, possibly below AS?

My son has been diagnosed with ASD and ADD.


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29 Nov 2009, 10:09 pm

poopylungstuffing wrote:
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NO, IN NO WAY!!


I seriously think so...as a very ADD-ish person myself..who is assessed as having Asperger's.
I think that TRUE ADD is related to autism....but I think that maybe a lot of kids who get diagnosed as having ADD don't necc. have true ADD..they are just raised in over-processed overstimulating environments and whatnot...
My partner's niece is a neurotypical little girl...she lives in the suburbs and gets fed lots of sugar and plastic and stuff...and she acts up...She has an interesting and adventurous imagination, but I am pretty sure she is neurotypical...at least she seems so to me....but maybe I am not the best judge...she makes eye-contact...has no communication problems...she is just restless and precocious, and her mom is talking about putting her on ADD meds...That is my example of someone who does not have true ADD.

I grew up in a fog. It took me forever to do things properly like brush my teeth regularly and tie my shoes and stop wetting the bed and stop drinking from a bottle...and dress myself in an appropriate manner...Understand proper boundaries and whatnot...

In class I COULD NOT pay attention to what the teacher was saying...I was too overwhelmed by the sound of the air conditioner and the flickering of the florescent lights and all the junk that was happening in my head to concentrate...I was going home constantly from stress and sensory issue related problems...but I discovered that I loved to read books and collect information and memorize muscials..and though I absorbed nothing in the classroom, I could read and comprehend a lot better than my fellow classmates who did not have all the problems that I had, and I scored really really high on all the aptitude tests...Top 1%...But I continued to do very poorly in school...because I was extremely disorganized and could not concentrate on what I was supposed to do...I could absorb lots of info on something I was really interested in...but there was lots of stuff that went straight over my head...
These are the issues that led me to find ADD...and for years I read books on ADD and was addicted to ADD forums and whatnot... before I had even heard of AS...and there are lots of people on those forums and lots of issues covered in those books that i could totally relate to....

That is why I think that (real) ADD is related to the autistic spectrum.


I can relate to a lot of what you're saying there. The sensitivity problem, feeling like I live in a fog, big difference between abilities and school performance. And the ADD nerding!

Wheter it's connected or not? Well.. Both disorders affect similar aspects of people, but in different ways. AD(H)D leads to decreased attention, AS leads to increased attention. Learning difficulties vs. selective learning. Both AD(H)D and AS leads to sensory and motor problems. The sensory problems and differences are different in AS/AD(H)D. I've seen people who exhibit symptoms of both disorders, but one of them more than the other. To add to that 1/6 aspies have ADD. This little fact rules out any doubt that there isn't some kind of connection.



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29 Nov 2009, 11:28 pm

They are very obviously related (although not necessarily causally) because they entail (as other posters have pointed out) dysregulation of attention. So they are related at least in the way that a common cold and hay fever are related to each other (can cause similar or over-lapping observable indicators/symptoms).



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30 Nov 2009, 2:15 am

well growing up my brother had severe adhd... was extremely immature, had problems making friends, was always on the go, had terrible tantrums, took off a lot, sometimes stuttering because he just would talk to fast, never could stop moving, had weird things like he loved sniffing his socks, always had something in his hand, or something he had to be doing, was very accident prone always getting into trouble or getting hurt, very easily distracted, could concentrate on anything, etc... Some would say just what i stated there is defintely related to autism. He still doesnt stop moving, still got a temper, problems concentrating, focusing, still sniffs his socks lol(but dont tell him i told u that), but has lots of friends, talks fine, and works in NYC, going to get his masters, etc. A lot of families that have autisitc children also have children with adhd, idk if thats normal or not, but heard that a lot, and individuals wiht autism has adhd as well. So yes i think its related but not autism itself but def related.


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30 Nov 2009, 3:10 am

Am I the only one who was told that a person cannot have both autism and add..and that if they are diagnosed with autism, the add traits are just concidered part of their autism?
(this is what I was told by the professional who assessed me)...I have been confused ever since.



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30 Nov 2009, 9:10 am

poopylungstuffing wrote:
Am I the only one who was told that a person cannot have both autism and add..and that if they are diagnosed with autism, the add traits are just concidered part of their autism?
(this is what I was told by the professional who assessed me)...I have been confused ever since.
The professional who assessed you is right: People who are both autistic and ADDish only get a diagnosis of autism, because their ADD is considered a part of their autism.



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30 Nov 2009, 10:03 am

KenG wrote:
poopylungstuffing wrote:
Am I the only one who was told that a person cannot have both autism and add..and that if they are diagnosed with autism, the add traits are just concidered part of their autism?
(this is what I was told by the professional who assessed me)...I have been confused ever since.
The professional who assessed you is right: People who are both autistic and ADDish only get a diagnosis of autism, because their ADD is considered a part of their autism.


My son was diagnosed with ASD through the school. We took him to a neuro who agreed with the diagnosis and then went on to diagnose him with ADD as well. She does her note taking on tape recorder while we are in the room with her and everytime she says daignosis ASD (first) and ADD (2nd) and then what we talked about/problems (or not) during the visit. So, he has TWO diagnosises.

I guess every dr is different.


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30 Nov 2009, 10:17 am

This was supposed to be according to the DSM-V...not just the particular professional's opinion on the matter...



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30 Nov 2009, 10:35 am

For the record, it seems to me that some people with ASD's seem to have ADD/ADHD issues and some don't, and I see no reason why this couldn't be differentiated by there being separate diagnoses....But i was told that this was not the case....and that according to the official manual, a diagnosis of an ASD rules out the ADD diagnosis.
I have also read this...I am pretty sure...though the wording is a wee tad confusing...

But over and over again there are people who say that they are diagnosed with both...and I brought this up when I was assessed because I had gone for so many years thinking that I was an ADDer, and the AS specialist...i am pretty sure...said that it had to do with a common misunderstanding on the part of the doctors who do the diagnosing and their incomplete comprehension of the diagnostic criteria...and/or failure to read the DSM-V description all the way through.....or something like that...I am paraphrasing something I was told over a year ago....



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30 Nov 2009, 3:23 pm

KenG wrote:
poopylungstuffing wrote:
Am I the only one who was told that a person cannot have both autism and add..and that if they are diagnosed with autism, the add traits are just concidered part of their autism?
(this is what I was told by the professional who assessed me)...I have been confused ever since.
The professional who assessed you is right: People who are both autistic and ADDish only get a diagnosis of autism, because their ADD is considered a part of their autism.


Relation ADDed topic

My youngest has recently been tested for ADD and fits the profile. However, her personality is NT.

She has stated that she prefers ADD over AS. :( :roll:


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30 Nov 2009, 5:05 pm

i have known a lot of socially "NT" for all practical purposes ADHDers...but they are still plenty quirky. They usually happen to be sorta hyper-social....juggle lots of social interactions with ease...Don't seem to have trouble with eye contact and stuff like that...
Sometimes they can have obsessive interests that would easily rival any of mine...They seem to move at their own speed, which can seem dizzyingly fast and overwhelming or intense but they can be cool once one gets used to them(flighty female acquaintance who used to come around)...or extremely annoying(old roommate I had)..not trying to lump all ADDers together, but this is my experience based upon having known a handful of them.



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01 Dec 2009, 6:34 am

I believe the two are very similar that I've coined the phrase 'brain 2 syndrome'. Long before there was any diagnosis of autism or ADHD there were people there were people that had these conditions. Doctors just came up with the conditions and I really think that all these so called brain disorders should be merged together. I mean I could have ADHD-I, dyspraxia, dyslexia/Irlen's, OCD, Asperger's, etc. No way I've got enough money to actually look into getting a diagnosis.

Thus concludes my poorly explained theory.


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01 Dec 2009, 10:18 am

pensieve wrote:
Doctors just came up with the conditions and I really think that all these so called brain disorders should be merged together
I agree. They should all be merged together under the "neurodivergency" label and be regarded as a legitimate human difference.


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31 Dec 2009, 7:36 pm

Ok, so I'm like the OG of ADHD lol. The doctors my parents went to all agreed except for one that with this new-fangled, understudied condition it would be best to send me to a school for mentally handicapped children. Thank the dieties of my fallible human brain structures that this did not happen because my 'rents refused to believe their daughter was incapable of being adequate in school. One doc saw in me an intelligent human being with an atypical way of interacting within her world and the world around her. He did not prescribe me any drugs like Ritalin (I'm not even sure it was availible back then, must research). My brother was next to be diagnosed, only years later when making kids conform in the zombie nation of the classroom by means of medico-hyperbole was the norm in his era of diagnosis of the week. Anyway...what was the topic again? JUST KIDDING!! I honestly just stumbled onto this discussion board one dark and stormy evening whislt researching some topic that i can't remember right now but will when I'm thinking about how i hate it when i don't feel like washing the dishes and that i'm disappointed with myself for not just getting up from the million books i'm reading at once and doing them and all the biofilm that must be gathering on them and what types of bacteria are on them that i'm eating because you can never really wash them all away but who cares because i'm really doing myself a favour (no i will not stand for this! spellchecker is American and i am a proud, nationalistic woman who knows that FAVOUR is spelled FAVOUR in my country!) and strengthening my immunity, so i'm okay with rationalizing how i'm not doing the dishes. Dishes suck and my boyfriend will do them anyway. So i was looking up whatever topic and stumbled upon this nifty site! So tell me then Dear Reader, from your accidental foray into the workings of my mind, does ADHD have any resemblance to AS or is it a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT set of letters?



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31 Dec 2009, 9:00 pm

My personal theory is that there are two types of ADHD, one related to ASD's and the other a product of diets high in processed garbage and lifestyles devoid of outdoor activities (see Francis Kuo for studies on the latter type).

I have known several people with dx'ed ADHD, who had siblings on the spectrum (they tended to carry a good number of spectrum traits) and I have met others who were not particularly spectrumy and had unhealthy lifestyles.