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poopylungstuffing
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29 Dec 2009, 2:26 am

Meadow wrote:
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All CP I have heard about has been due to a lack of oxygen when being born. The motor center is the first to be affected, AS is TOTALLY different.


I had a severe lack of oxygen when I was born and the "motor center [was not] the first to be affected" as you say. Motor function problems are indicative of a more severe brain injury so it is not the first thing to go as you say.


CP however is specifically brain damage which causes motor impairment. The OP is incorrect when he/she states that is just a term for any kind of brain damage. It actually states this on the referenced Wikipedia page: "Cerebral palsy (CP) (also cerebral pares) is an umbrella term encompassing a group of non-progressive, non-contagious motor conditions that cause physical disability in human development."
So if someone has brain damage which causes a learning disability for example, but no physical impairment, then that person does not have CP. Additionally, CP refers to damage which occurs before age 3. So while anyone can sustain brain damage which leads to motor impairment, older children and adults don't develop CP. Most causes of CP occur while the baby is still in the womb. A smaller percentage occur during or after birth.


If there is any confusion with regard to my postings, I'm not claiming to have Cerebral Palsy. The OP was asking if there may be a connection between CP and ASD's and I personally believe there may be but it is based only on my own impressions and experience.


I bet it is possible to have both, and i would imagine that AS traits which might have developed if there was no trauma...could be exacerbated by cerebral palsy...

that's why I said to take note of one of the threads where a number of people talk about the difficult births they experienced...(i will have to post links to some of these threads)

This is not to discount the consensus that AS is genetic....though it can be confusing...

AS traits run in my family...accompanied with very high intelligence...I am more on the developmental/learning difficulty side....(with certain pronounced strengths that got me into gifted classes eventually)
Many of the traits that I now associate with being the spectrum, I once associated with my possibly having some sort of brain damage....the executive dysfunction...the CAPD...the face-blindness....etc...

I was in the womb for a bit too long..10 months...I was delivered with forceps...I was dropped squarely on the head as a toddler.

I do often walk on my toes...and with my head cocked and my hands curled up..not that i have cerebral palsy either, but a combination of genes and trauma might have contributed to the particular way I happen to be...

and that could happen to anyone under the particular conditions of having AS traits that run in the family...and babies in the womb are fragile and sensitive...



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29 Dec 2009, 2:55 am

I agree, Poopylungstuffing. There aren't always visible signs either with brain injury. Being born is a very delicate time I think, for the baby, especially in combination with how Western medicine handles it in such a big hurry with their procedures.



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29 Dec 2009, 5:21 am

LostInSpace wrote:
CP however is specifically brain damage which causes motor impairment. The OP is incorrect when he/she states that is just a term for any kind of brain damage. It actually states this on the referenced Wikipedia page: "Cerebral palsy (CP) (also cerebral pares) is an umbrella term encompassing a group of non-progressive, non-contagious motor conditions that cause physical disability in human development."


I didn't say that; read better please. I said:

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it's basically just a fancy name for any kind of brain damage that isn't contagious or progressive, and which causes disabilities of a neurological nature.
. (Maybe I should have said motor disabilities.)

This is, to my mind, just a restatement of what Wikipedia is saying.

Also, the Wikipedia article specifically relates CP to brain damage: "Cerebral refers to the cerebrum, which is the affected area of the brain (although the disorder most likely involves connections between the cortex and other parts of the brain such as the cerebellum),..."


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31 Dec 2009, 12:44 am

I have a co-worker with CP who is not diagnosed with AS, but is an encyclopedia on a wheelchair on anything relating to US History and seems a bit aspie IMO.

My lady friend with CP from Shaken Baby Syndrome is about as NT as you can get. She's the "Hey, where's the party?" kind of person. :lol:


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09 Nov 2010, 5:46 am

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In a post to the Love & Dating forum, I have already revealed that I have Cerebral Palsy, very bad eyesight, and probably Asperger's. For those of you who don't know what Cerebral Palsy is: it's basically just a fancy name for any kind of brain damage that isn't contagious or progressive, and which causes disabilities of a neurological nature. (See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy). The range of symptoms is very broad, but in my case it causes speech difficulties ("drunkard's voice") and poor motor control in my head and upper limbs. I do walk normally, however, which is somewhat atypical. I'm still trying to work out how my disorders influence one another, and even if they do.

Could it be possible, for instance, for someone who was born with "Aspergic" traits, but not full-blown AS, to develop more serious Aspergic tendencies due to an inability to communicate normally with parents and peers in early childhood? I feel that since I had very little "normal" interaction with other children till I was about 7 or 8, I've never had a chance to pick up all the subtle body language rules that ordinary kids just learn by playing and having fun together. Eye contact especially still eludes me completely. Besides not being able to hold my head still enough, I just haven't got a clue when to look someone in the eye and for how long.

All this has caused me to withdraw socially, since I'm not accepted anywhere really, tolerated at most. Fortunately I have a few friends who see me for who I really am, and I'm grateful for that, but I never will be a very social person I'm afraid. This relative isolation has conditioned me to pursue not social interaction, like other people, but peculiar, obsession-like hobbies, which seem to rotate in my affections. I've had a few "chess phases", for example, in which I didn't do much else than play online chess for hours. Music is sort of a constant obsession - I can basically listen to favorite music (such as Bach) all day, without being bored. Other hobbies are: reading books, browsing Wikipedia and just following links randomly, writing poetry, composing music. In between hobbies I usually worry about my situation and post to forums such as this one.

Thanks for hearing me out. Sharing your thoughts is much appreciated. People have been, for the most part, helpful and friendly here. What a wonderful place this is!


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Mild CP and Asperger's

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Mild CP vs Asperger's

Cerebral Palsy is sometimes discussed along with a list of associated conditions which include:

the ADHDs
the many Epilepsies

(Asperger's / Autism and so on).

There are some areas such as:

Sports concussions / side-effects of subtle concussions
Mild brain injuries

where there are all sorts of observable or reported cognition and perception challenges, however, in many cases standard CT scans and MRI scans are read as normal.

Minor glitches in areas such as vision, hearing, sustaining attention, speech and so on can create all sorts of subtle yet real communication challenges/social interaction challenges in everyday life. That's my understanding.

Communication and Asperger's
Communication and Autism

etc.