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03 Jan 2010, 8:38 pm

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And while I do believe a NT brain can rewire itself I think it's difficult for an autistic brain to do that. Believe me I've tried


Don't think it is any easier for the NT, and I would think for most that would be something that become progressively harder has they age, then us, for they have to adapt a lot less through their life, for they fit in more easily. Since we are not the norm we more often have to work on adapting ourselves then them.


At least that what I can guess from my own experience but my vision may be screwed for I got a very plastic mentality, which easily adapt to logical change. (But in illogical case I developed a very argumentative way to be has a defense for I admit I was quite easy to abuse off since of my open mind, but doesn't prevent that I can be prone to illogical idea for I still got emotion like about every human)



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03 Jan 2010, 8:48 pm

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B) even if it did, and even if it made certain thoughts more logical, it does not mean I automatically by default think a certain way.


Default thinking a certain way is called been narrowminded, this is a individual trait of character has nothing to do with any mental anomaly if by itself, through I am sure it can be part of a possible anomaly that involve very high narcissism but that in no way part of any autistic spectrum diagnostic that I know off.



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03 Jan 2010, 9:40 pm

iniudan wrote:
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B) even if it did, and even if it made certain thoughts more logical, it does not mean I automatically by default think a certain way.


Default thinking a certain way is called been narrowminded, this is a individual trait of character has nothing to do with any mental anomaly if by itself, through I am sure it can be part of a possible anomaly that involve very high narcissism but that in no way part of any autistic spectrum diagnostic that I know off.


What I mean is even if in general it was shown that people with a certain brain "build" think a certain way, it does not mean I will.



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03 Jan 2010, 9:57 pm

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iniudan wrote:
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B) even if it did, and even if it made certain thoughts more logical, it does not mean I automatically by default think a certain way.


Default thinking a certain way is called been narrowminded, this is a individual trait of character has nothing to do with any mental anomaly if by itself, through I am sure it can be part of a possible anomaly that involve very high narcissism but that in no way part of any autistic spectrum diagnostic that I know off.


What I mean is even if in general it was shown that people with a certain brain "build" think a certain way, it does not mean I will.



Did notspeak of brain "build" I spoke of trait of character, in other word a way to act a person develop through her experience in the world, worse some brain "build" can do in such a case is increasing the chance of certain trait to appear.


Think your mistaking some term(word) use with other, which come to distort your view of the fullness of the subject. But shrug that just my own point of view.


EDIT: Also like I already said two time before, no one has the same neurology, so no one actually think like the other. Asperger is just a classification group for people with a certain type of characterized neurological anomaly. This in no way mean we think alike, it just mean that some point of our abnormal neurology could be closely related, so that we could come to face related difficulty in society.



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03 Jan 2010, 10:01 pm

I used "Brain Build" to point to the fact that people with AS have a different brain structure then those with NT.



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03 Jan 2010, 10:09 pm

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I used "Brain Build" to point to the fact that people with AS have a different brain structure then those with NT.


Everyone got a different brain structure from each other, even identical twin, so I admit I don't see the logical sense of saying such a thing.


Read my EDIT in previous message



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03 Jan 2010, 10:21 pm

iniudan wrote:
VincentVanJones wrote:
I used "Brain Build" to point to the fact that people with AS have a different brain structure then those with NT.


Everyone got a different brain structure from each other, even identical twin, so I admit I don't see the logical sense of saying such a thing.


Read my EDIT in previous message


Its all good. I chose an odd way to phrase what I meant, it's all I could think of at the time.



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04 Jan 2010, 12:08 am

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Does Autism have to cause impairment or disability?

There are two primary definitions of autism. The first one (i.e., the "traditional" definition) generally refers to being diagnosable under some set of standard criteria (DSM-IV, Gilberg, ICD-10, etc.) You could say that, by this definition, only the clinically impaired have autism. Likewise, by this definition, someone could potentially be clinically impaired at some stages in their lives yet not at others... in which case, they would only be autistic during certain parts of their lives.

There is a second definition of autism which is defined in terms of a fundamentally different neurology. This view of autism is generally broader, being that clinical impairment isn't necessarily required at all stages of the person's life; only the neurology has to be different. So when someone pulls out the "once autistic, always autistic" argument, they are referring to this definition of autism.

So... really, it's all quite confusing and imprecise, and there really aren't any clear answers. No wonder people get passionate and upset about this stuff.


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04 Jan 2010, 12:29 am

I go back and forth thinking whether my son has it or not. He has been diagnosed, but at times i think, no way. There's no way. He may be a bit odd sometimes. He may think differently, but he doesn't have this. He has friends. They don't tease him, they look up to him. Then he does something that knocks me back into reality.


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04 Jan 2010, 7:19 am

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He may be a bit odd sometimes. He may think differently, but he doesn't have this. He has friends. They don't tease him, they look up to him. Then he does something that knocks me back into reality.

What does 'having friends' have to do with anything?

I guess I'm just getting annoyed by people who refer to an 'Aspie way of thinking' or 'an Entie way of thinking', when the truth is that people think differently.

Anyway, regarding the cause of Autism, I'm not sure there is one single cause. It's only a collection of symptoms, after all, which can be caused by different things. For example, flu and cold's have similar symptoms, but they're caused by two different things. As far as Aspergrs goes, I blame it on society, given that the diagnosis seems to be based on social norms. I imagine they'll eventually realise this, and strip it from the spectrum. Simultaneusly, the amount of people with Autism will suddenly drop. They'll keep the diagnosis, thouh, as a guideline for helping 'educators'.

I hope.



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04 Jan 2010, 12:17 pm

This is all a bunch of philisohpical mish-mash, because no matter what you call it or think of it as, whatever problems you or anyone else had before will remain.

I don't care what autism is, what it is called, or what it is classified as, because it doesn't help me in any way to know or change these names.

What does help me though, is myself! Screw everything or everyone else!


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04 Jan 2010, 1:54 pm

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All distinctions between 'Aspies' and 'NTs', therefore, are meaningless to me.


Ok. Although, I consider human distinctions meaningless as a whole.