NT socializing and romance is overrated

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05 Jan 2010, 11:08 pm

Well I have gotten laid and I still think it's over rated. Sex sex sex sex is all people care about. I've gone about eight months without sex with my husband. I'm lucky he has a low sex drive because he can go once a month of having it and he is good. But he won't go having it once a year :(


Janissy, I think I know a solution to your problem, don't look at aspies when they talk to you, look away and you don't have to see their body language since you can't stop reading it. If there is a book I don't want to read, I just close it and don't look at the words.



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06 Jan 2010, 4:28 pm

I agree with the lead in to relationship stuff being weird, bizarre, overrated. I would love to just 'go for a walk' or something. All the other stuff freaks me out, thinking about doing it. It's all from just genetic imperative of breeding. Birds dance around and puff themselves up, humans puff themselves up pretending to be bigger, richer, more attractive than they really are. I interpreted the original post to mean that there is cultural pressure on all of us to do that stuff...that there is no other real way to get to know someone. I am at my worst in that kind of environment of fakery. I have no intention of breeding, so I don't feel I should have to go through a mating dance like that.



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07 Jan 2010, 8:41 am

Look, you can go on and hate this "NT" world, and how people want you to adapt to something you find ret*d, unneeded, and so on, but the only f*****g WAY to survive on this planet is by adapting at least a LITTLE. No matter how stupid it seems that you're the one having to adapt, instead of other people adapting to you. Why? Because YOU'RE the minority.

In the case of a relationship, you BOTH will need to adapt to each other's needs. That's how every normal couple does it, you know. Even if people are both NT's, they can have very different personalities, traits, needs - and if you're going to be in a close relationship, you'll simply need to adapt to each other. I doubt this very principle is very different in the case of a relationship between someone with AS and someone without AS. But you still have to adapt BOTH. You can't just expect your NT partner to "solely rely on your exact wording and no body language", for example. If you do, you're being just as ret*d as some typical NT who says to her AS boyfriend: "Why can't you just DO it?!".

Adapt.

OR, isolate yourself if you think you'll grow happy that way.



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07 Jan 2010, 8:54 am

Daniella wrote:
Look, you can go on and hate this "NT" world, and how people want you to adapt to something you find ret*d, unneeded, and so on, but the only f***ing WAY to survive on this planet is by adapting at least a LITTLE. No matter how stupid it seems that you're the one having to adapt, instead of other people adapting to you. Why? Because YOU'RE the minority.

In the case of a relationship, you BOTH will need to adapt to each other's needs. That's how every normal couple does it, you know. Even if people are both NT's, they can have very different personalities, traits, needs - and if you're going to be in a close relationship, you'll simply need to adapt to each other. I doubt this very principle is very different in the case of a relationship between someone with AS and someone without AS. But you still have to adapt BOTH. You can't just expect your NT partner to "solely rely on your exact wording and no body language", for example. If you do, you're being just as ret*d as some typical NT who says to her AS boyfriend: "Why can't you just DO it?!".

Adapt.

OR, isolate yourself if you think you'll grow happy that way.


In case you're talking to me, I'm not so into aspies or NT's, I dislike both stereotypes, if my friends idss me for this, I will diss them as well, both the NT's and aspies, It's also impossible for me to adapt to society, I can make eye contact, but adapting is impossible, I'm enjoyed when I see ADHD spazzes, narcissists and sociopaths publically harass people.



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07 Jan 2010, 9:52 am

Hi

Very briefly, no two relationships are the same, whether you are Aspie or NT. I make up words for my (extremely neurotypical) boyfriend all the time, so you could say that's a foreign language of sorts! :lol:



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07 Jan 2010, 10:59 am

bdhkhsfgk wrote:
In case you're talking to me, I'm not so into aspies or NT's, I dislike both stereotypes, if my friends idss me for this, I will diss them as well, both the NT's and aspies, It's also impossible for me to adapt to society, I can make eye contact, but adapting is impossible, I'm enjoyed when I see ADHD spazzes, narcissists and sociopaths publically harass people.


It wasn't aimed at anyone directly, it's mainly aimed at those who seem to drown in self-pity, who moan about how "NT's" are big meanies, how "NT's" should try harder to understand them, and how "NT's" are to blame for this horrible, horrible world. Just because you are diagnosed with AS doesn't mean the world should all of the sudden just adapt to all your needs. I'll tell you worse: the world CAN'T.

I just get annoyed when people say things like that.
I hate it when "NT's" get generalised in a shallow, negative way which happens way too much on these forums.
When someone does it, they're being just as bad as the shallow NT who just thinks people with AS are "scary weirdos".
It's illogical and unfair.

As for the rest of your post, I'm not sure what you mean.
Bottom line of your post is that we shouldn't take our differences too serious?
That it's okay to joke about it?



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07 Jan 2010, 11:11 am

Daniella wrote:
Look, you can go on and hate this "NT" world, and how people want you to adapt to something you find ret*d, unneeded, and so on, but the only f***ing WAY to survive on this planet is by adapting at least a LITTLE. No matter how stupid it seems that you're the one having to adapt, instead of other people adapting to you. Why? Because YOU'RE the minority.

In the case of a relationship, you BOTH will need to adapt to each other's needs. That's how every normal couple does it, you know. Even if people are both NT's, they can have very different personalities, traits, needs - and if you're going to be in a close relationship, you'll simply need to adapt to each other. I doubt this very principle is very different in the case of a relationship between someone with AS and someone without AS. But you still have to adapt BOTH. You can't just expect your NT partner to "solely rely on your exact wording and no body language", for example. If you do, you're being just as ret*d as some typical NT who says to her AS boyfriend: "Why can't you just DO it?!".

Adapt.

OR, isolate yourself if you think you'll grow happy that way.


I don't want to "adapt" for any reason. I don't see why I should change my natural behaviour for others. If someone really gives a crap about me, they'll accept me for who I am. If not, to hell with 'em.



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07 Jan 2010, 11:26 am

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NT's take those things to far, you should just be able to accept asocial people and lend them a hand if they need it, and romance is worse, what's with all this foreign talking on the street, hiw about just giving your partner a hug or take him/her for a walk?


It's odd that the concept of a difference in brain "wiring" (which I agree with) with Aspies exists; however, some tend to speak in a perspective that suggests NTs are doing something wrong, or take things too far.

Are NTs not subject to behave in accordance to how they are wired as are Aspies?

If so, then it sounds to me like there is quite a bit of ethnocentric comparing and contrasting going on here--even if it exists unintentionally. Personally, I refuse to suggest my brain is wired differently and then go on to suggest an inherent wrongness in NT behavior (such as strong focus on relationships and romance)--which is also likely a reflection of said wiring.



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07 Jan 2010, 5:17 pm

People seem to think it's really weird when they learn the true meaning of asexuality. Not only to I not want to be sexual, I don't want a relationship....period. I don't even want casual friends. Even as young as four I didn't want to get married, let alone have kids. Stories of the damsel in distress frustrated me.


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10 Jan 2010, 9:22 pm

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People seem to think it's really weird when they learn the true meaning of asexuality. Not only to I not want to be sexual, I don't want a relationship....period. I don't even want casual friends. Even as young as four I didn't want to get married, let alone have kids. Stories of the damsel in distress frustrated me.



I don't think any kids at that age do. I didn't really understand the point of those stories.



11 Jan 2010, 1:26 am

I wanted kids since I was five.



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11 Jan 2010, 7:01 am

I love my girlfriend more than anything--don't get me wrong.

I unfortunately haven't been able to see her in almost two weeks...but that's been because I've been so focused on business.

You may be thinking "You're putting business above her? how dare you!"

I wouldn't jump to that, because I'm busting my *ss to get my business off the ground now so that way we can have a financially secure future.

I guess everyone shows their love in a different way; this is my way of doing it.

Of course she and I chat on a daily basis via cell phone, though.

I'm just a very business-focused person, but I want us to have a financially secure future; and to be perfectly frank, I don't think that being middle class is honestly gonna cut it. Not even being upper middle class will cut it.

I tells ya though...whenever we're just sitting there, watching a movie, she'll suddenly just grab me, and hold me tightly out of nowhere. She is madly in love with me, but naturally in a different way than I am with her. And I gotta tell ya...the emotion she feels is something I don't understand in that form. I'm glad she feels it...and of course I feel it as well, just in a different way. But it sure as hell seems a tad confusing at times.

I think socialization is completely over-rated. It's built up to be this big utopia of wonderful, and then winds up being little more than pointless drama with people you can barely count on most of the time. One thing that actually pisses me off is that everyone always asks me "why do you deal with the people you do? doesn't that kinda say something bad about you, and suggest that you don't think you're worth something better?"

Look...the fact is, socially, we're misfits. The majority won't touch us with a ten foot pole, so if we want friends, we gotta work with those who will. They may not always seem the most appealing, or be the most motivated; but it's called "accepting the hand we've been dealt."

I then later on learn that the majority who won't accept us have just as many skeletons in their closet as those that do...and I stop desiring as badly to socialize; go figure :D



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11 Jan 2010, 9:02 am

About the body language part.. to me body language is like punctuation when I have a conversation with someone in the same room. When body language sends mixed signals, its like trying to read a wall of text without correct punctuation. It goes OK, but it takes a bit longer and it's more of a struggle. In a written fora like this you HAVE punctuation and smiley faces, emotiocons and whatnots to help underbuild tone and such. Still, I find that I frequently misunderstand peoples tone to be sharper or more hostile when on a discussion board or a chat, than I do in real life. The body language sort of removes the element of doubt.

So its not life-important to us (NTs) but its a massive crutch for us in communication. At least when speaking for myself.



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11 Jan 2010, 12:08 pm

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I love my girlfriend more than anything--don't get me wrong.

I unfortunately haven't been able to see her in almost two weeks...but that's been because I've been so focused on business.

You may be thinking "You're putting business above her? how dare you!"

I wouldn't jump to that, because I'm busting my *ss to get my business off the ground now so that way we can have a financially secure future.

I guess everyone shows their love in a different way; this is my way of doing it.

Of course she and I chat on a daily basis via cell phone, though.

I'm just a very business-focused person, but I want us to have a financially secure future; and to be perfectly frank, I don't think that being middle class is honestly gonna cut it. Not even being upper middle class will cut it.

I tells ya though...whenever we're just sitting there, watching a movie, she'll suddenly just grab me, and hold me tightly out of nowhere. She is madly in love with me, but naturally in a different way than I am with her. And I gotta tell ya...the emotion she feels is something I don't understand in that form. I'm glad she feels it...and of course I feel it as well, just in a different way. But it sure as hell seems a tad confusing at times.

I think socialization is completely over-rated. It's built up to be this big utopia of wonderful, and then winds up being little more than pointless drama with people you can barely count on most of the time. One thing that actually pisses me off is that everyone always asks me "why do you deal with the people you do? doesn't that kinda say something bad about you, and suggest that you don't think you're worth something better?"

Look...the fact is, socially, we're misfits. The majority won't touch us with a ten foot pole, so if we want friends, we gotta work with those who will. They may not always seem the most appealing, or be the most motivated; but it's called "accepting the hand we've been dealt."

I then later on learn that the majority who won't accept us have just as many skeletons in their closet as those that do...and I stop desiring as badly to socialize; go figure :D


Good luck with your business and stuff, BTW! I'm setting one up myself at the moment :)



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11 Jan 2010, 7:45 pm

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TheDoctor82 wrote:
I love my girlfriend more than anything--don't get me wrong.

I unfortunately haven't been able to see her in almost two weeks...but that's been because I've been so focused on business.

You may be thinking "You're putting business above her? how dare you!"

I wouldn't jump to that, because I'm busting my *ss to get my business off the ground now so that way we can have a financially secure future.

I guess everyone shows their love in a different way; this is my way of doing it.

Of course she and I chat on a daily basis via cell phone, though.

I'm just a very business-focused person, but I want us to have a financially secure future; and to be perfectly frank, I don't think that being middle class is honestly gonna cut it. Not even being upper middle class will cut it.

I tells ya though...whenever we're just sitting there, watching a movie, she'll suddenly just grab me, and hold me tightly out of nowhere. She is madly in love with me, but naturally in a different way than I am with her. And I gotta tell ya...the emotion she feels is something I don't understand in that form. I'm glad she feels it...and of course I feel it as well, just in a different way. But it sure as hell seems a tad confusing at times.

I think socialization is completely over-rated. It's built up to be this big utopia of wonderful, and then winds up being little more than pointless drama with people you can barely count on most of the time. One thing that actually pisses me off is that everyone always asks me "why do you deal with the people you do? doesn't that kinda say something bad about you, and suggest that you don't think you're worth something better?"

Look...the fact is, socially, we're misfits. The majority won't touch us with a ten foot pole, so if we want friends, we gotta work with those who will. They may not always seem the most appealing, or be the most motivated; but it's called "accepting the hand we've been dealt."

I then later on learn that the majority who won't accept us have just as many skeletons in their closet as those that do...and I stop desiring as badly to socialize; go figure :D


Good luck with your business and stuff, BTW! I'm setting one up myself at the moment :)


Go for it! Embrace what we Autistic folk are naturally good at!



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12 Jan 2010, 11:21 am

TheDoctor82 wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
TheDoctor82 wrote:
I love my girlfriend more than anything--don't get me wrong.

I unfortunately haven't been able to see her in almost two weeks...but that's been because I've been so focused on business.

You may be thinking "You're putting business above her? how dare you!"

I wouldn't jump to that, because I'm busting my *ss to get my business off the ground now so that way we can have a financially secure future.

I guess everyone shows their love in a different way; this is my way of doing it.

Of course she and I chat on a daily basis via cell phone, though.

I'm just a very business-focused person, but I want us to have a financially secure future; and to be perfectly frank, I don't think that being middle class is honestly gonna cut it. Not even being upper middle class will cut it.

I tells ya though...whenever we're just sitting there, watching a movie, she'll suddenly just grab me, and hold me tightly out of nowhere. She is madly in love with me, but naturally in a different way than I am with her. And I gotta tell ya...the emotion she feels is something I don't understand in that form. I'm glad she feels it...and of course I feel it as well, just in a different way. But it sure as hell seems a tad confusing at times.

I think socialization is completely over-rated. It's built up to be this big utopia of wonderful, and then winds up being little more than pointless drama with people you can barely count on most of the time. One thing that actually pisses me off is that everyone always asks me "why do you deal with the people you do? doesn't that kinda say something bad about you, and suggest that you don't think you're worth something better?"

Look...the fact is, socially, we're misfits. The majority won't touch us with a ten foot pole, so if we want friends, we gotta work with those who will. They may not always seem the most appealing, or be the most motivated; but it's called "accepting the hand we've been dealt."

I then later on learn that the majority who won't accept us have just as many skeletons in their closet as those that do...and I stop desiring as badly to socialize; go figure :D


Good luck with your business and stuff, BTW! I'm setting one up myself at the moment :)


Go for it! Embrace what we Autistic folk are naturally good at!


Thanks :)

Mine really is embracing that too, because it's a software business! Lots of programming, lots of logic! Very nice! :D