Let us discuss something sensible, lets talk about PDA

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I don't know, I'm so confused now. There are some things there that ring true a little, it also goes along with my repeated failures at paying bills regularly. But I think I have to pick choice 'c' - something between AS and PDA.

And why did it hasve to be called PATHOLOGICAL DEMAND AVOIDANCE SYNDROME? Nothing says lazy **** quite like that.

Im kinda shocked why your all looking to see if you are PDA

If your anything like this girl ive been working with your a borderline sociopath

yeah, spot the NT!

Unfortunately, while some people undoubtedly have those traits (a person can, of course, have traits from just about any list of traits that any one of us could make up out of thin air on the spot right now), what that is actually used for is frequently to pathologize behavior that has more to do with inability to do something, than with refusal to do it. Please keep in mind, that even if you identify with the description of the explanation of the behavior, that in reality the behavior may (in the people actually used unwillingly to create this "syndrome") be caused by something entirely different. I have known a number of parents whose children were diagnosed with this because they had things like movement disorders, executive function problems, etc., that are not truly this syndrome, and because they become totally understandably frustrated and upset because they are unable to do those things even when it is demanded of them. And in those cases (which probably include several of the people the idea was originally based on, as well) it's a judgmental and pseudoscientific label that seeks to explain behavior that the professional truly has no explanation for.

Maybe that's European doubt speaking in me (sure is, we hate to have lots of fancy syndromes and just always stick everything to 1 single label), but seriously... I don't see how this is a syndrome.

It can be for some, I won't doubt it, but I just don't 'get it'.

Some site said that 50% with PDA are girls. That makes me think of how AS in girls is under-diagnosed.

Also the way AS and PDA are compared here
http://www.pdacontact.org.uk/frames/index.html?pdacomparisons.shtml
is only possible because the less obvious types of AS are left out of the comparison.

For example it claims those with AS do not develop strategies to survive in kindergarten, school etc.

It also says those with ASDs would not manipulate... well, no, apparently that is incorrect.

Or that they don't seem to be social in any way.

I also feel there's a fundamentally incorrect assumption in this.

Your impairment can be severe socially, yet you can - if the rest of your person, abilities, interests, etc...fits it - develop social sense. Just because you don't see faces, it doesn't mean you won't be able to cope.

Maybe you can't cope with this (but with others things), maybe not to 100% (sometimes just a little), but it's not like the state you were born in will predict what becomes out of you and your abilities.

Seriously, I'd not have met my milestones the way I did if not for being encouraged and all that all the time when I was a toddler. I was like, no.1 priority. Who cared if I was off and didn't react, then somebody found another way to engage me, because nobody thought I wouldn't be able to learn.

I mean, was everybody here super strange and alerted their parents and teachers to that their was something fundamentally 'wrong' with them in the first year or early childhood?
I thought because it's not been like that that so many people were diagnosed so late.

And just because someone presents severe, it doesn't mean their symptoms are severe. Just because someone presents good, it doesn't mean their symptoms aren't severe.

But that's what many descriptions I now read about PDA say.

It might be real. However, PDA looks like especially those with a certain personaliyt type and not disabling features of AS or HFA can fall under it. So the criteria aren't exactly going okay with BAP and 'mild' AS which I think is a problem.

heh...personal and digital.....like personal members....

This may be what I have instead of AS. It would explain my ablity to understand empathy.

The only symptom I do not have is the one that says (you get pleasure out of upseting people). I don't like hurting peoples feelings .

i think PDA may be a female manifestation of aspergers syndrome, any thoughts?

i am female, and have been diagnosed as aspergers, but i also fit a lot of the criteria for pda, the more something is expected of me the less i can do it, and i am VERY manipulative socially, i always get my own way. i can engage in social situations well, but am ultimately selfish, and my own agenda is the only one of any importance to me.

discuss.

This is one reason I hate when a professional (including those who believe in "PDA" -- actually it's almost entirely one woman's creation) uses outmoded stereotypes of autism to differentiate something else from it.

Lots of people with AS understand empathy. Some even have too much. It does not mean they're not AS.



That one was described by Asperger as well, and is also championed by Digby Tantum in the UK as a general autistic trait. But it's not. What people really mean by it generally is, "This person annoys and upsets me, and doesn't seem to notice, and even seems happy. Therefore, this person enjoys upsetting me." Which is a very self-centered view on their part.

It can also be a misunderstanding. Like... I used to love when my friend wrinkled her forehead so there were deep creases all across it that were parallel to each other. So I'd do things to get her to do that, then I'd run my fingers through th creases. I had no idea it meant she was annoyed, until she told me. It did not mean I enjoyed annoying her. That is also I suspect what one of Asperger's patients was doing, given that he enjoyed the face a teacher made when she was angry. Doesn't mean he enjoyed making her angry, that was an assumption on Asperger's part.

But some people have persisted in believing that if they are annoyed by us it is because we enjoy annoying them. One among many reasons I don't trust the creator of PDA. The other of which is that she assumes a lot about the reasons for not being able to do certain things. Lots of people don't do well under pressure, or just can't do certain things, without being called PDA.

Thank you anbuend for clearing up that misunderstanding for me.