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13 Feb 2010, 7:31 pm

mikkyh wrote:
You can't rely on an IQ test to measure intelligence.

I've been wondering about that, if it's unsuitable to measure intelligence then what's it's purpose?


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13 Feb 2010, 7:34 pm

Lecks wrote:
mikkyh wrote:
You can't rely on an IQ test to measure intelligence.

I've been wondering about that, if it's unsuitable to measure intelligence then what's it's purpose?


I think that's just my personal opinion to be honest. IQ tests were originally put there, I think, to measure how clever you are. But they test on a lot of stuff instead of one particular subject. I know that people with AS and other ASDs tend to be in more intelligent in subjects that interest them and very poor in subjects that don't (though to say this for all aspies would be over-generalizing), so using a lot of maths in the IQ test wouldn't really be accurate in some people's case.

Also, I think to rely purely on a number is just stupid. It would be better to get them to write an essay about something that interests them, such as (for me) ICT.


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13 Feb 2010, 7:41 pm

I am not good at assessing my intelligence but I'll explain using some examples of school subjects.

In Maths, I found things like formulas a doddle. Very enjoyable and satisfying, actually. But areas like division and some arethmetic I struggled with. If I came across something that was too deep for me to understand, my brain would get tangled up and I would get agitated and shut down. I couldn't think another thing for the rest of the lesson.

In English, I was terrible at comprehension. My teacher got me assessed by the learning support department because of it and they found nothing. I don't know what they were looking for. I got extra help from that department for a while. I made a marginal improvement which didn't improve my final exam result. As for things like punctuation and grammar, I was exceptionally good for my age. I saw it was a logical set of rules easy to follow.

I don't know how much that has to do with AS. Nor intelligence, for that matter. Any comments appreciated.



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13 Feb 2010, 7:43 pm

rmgh wrote:
I am not good at assessing my intelligence but I'll explain using some examples of school subjects.

In Maths, I found things like formulas a doddle. Very enjoyable and satisfying, actually. But areas like division and some arethmetic I struggled with. If I came across something that was too deep for me to understand, my brain would get tangled up and I would get agitated and shut down. I couldn't think another thing for the rest of the lesson.

In English, I was terrible at comprehension. My teacher got me assessed by the learning support department because of it and they found nothing. I don't know what they were looking for. I got extra help from that department for a while. I made a marginal improvement which didn't improve my final exam result. As for things like punctuation and grammar, I was exceptionally good for my age. I saw it was a logical set of rules easy to follow.

I don't know how much that has to do with AS. Nor intelligence, for that matter. Any comments appreciated.


Apparently, we (meaning people with AS) excel in subjects that interest us the most. That's right for me, but is it right for you ?


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13 Feb 2010, 9:57 pm

mikkyh wrote:
rmgh wrote:
I am not good at assessing my intelligence but I'll explain using some examples of school subjects.

In Maths, I found things like formulas a doddle. Very enjoyable and satisfying, actually. But areas like division and some arethmetic I struggled with. If I came across something that was too deep for me to understand, my brain would get tangled up and I would get agitated and shut down. I couldn't think another thing for the rest of the lesson.

In English, I was terrible at comprehension. My teacher got me assessed by the learning support department because of it and they found nothing. I don't know what they were looking for. I got extra help from that department for a while. I made a marginal improvement which didn't improve my final exam result. As for things like punctuation and grammar, I was exceptionally good for my age. I saw it was a logical set of rules easy to follow.

I don't know how much that has to do with AS. Nor intelligence, for that matter. Any comments appreciated.


Apparently, we (meaning people with AS) excel in subjects that interest us the most. That's right for me, but is it right for you ?

To a certain extent, yes. But, I had other factors in my performance in subjects like varying levels of distraction and different teaching methods which meant I didn't do so well in a couple of subjects I was interested in.



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14 Feb 2010, 12:29 am

IQ tests were designed to be A predictor of (potential) 'Academic' achievement and were first devised in 1912.

It measures a VERY narrow part of the Intelligence spectrum (ability to learn/memorise, do 'coursework' and regurgitate information in the style in which the examiner happens to think...at least at High School level)

This is why people with (very) high IQs who are on welfare or otherwise 'underachieving' get confused with the phenomon of successful High School drop outs.

The academic systems in place in most of the (Western developed) world today are based on the Prussian 'education' system.

That system was itself designed to produce soldiers and employees (as opposed to entrepreneurs) which is EXACTLY what it does today.


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14 Feb 2010, 3:48 am

Kinesthetic
Verbal
Visual-Spatial
Spiritual/Existentialist <== not this
Logical
Naturalistic
Interpersonal <== not this
Intrapersonal <== not this
Musical <== not this

I'm good at the rest, and can play drums due to an odd sort of visual-spatial synesthetic wiring malfunction, but am utterly unable to actually "perform" musically, or sing...

In my head I sound like Maynard (lead singer of Tool/APC)... in reality it's more like a housecat being ran through a tablesaw.



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19 Feb 2010, 1:10 am

LoveMoney wrote:
What part of intelligence are Aspies good at? (In a general way, without saying everybody is different).


The definition for AS includes a requirement for an IQ above 100, otherwise it's usually diagnosed as classic autism instead. So really, if AS is defined as "autistic persons who aren't dumb", is it a surprise that that's what you get? If you look at autism spectrum disorders as a whole, it has the same bell curve of IQs as everyone else, with most autistics having a near-average IQ.

What autistics are good at are concentration and long-term memory, which are helpful but aren't the same as general intelligence.


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19 Feb 2010, 6:43 am

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I am a visual person, and do alot of writing. I think Aspie intelligence is very much about being in ones mind all the time. I can create beautiful or thought provoking works of art, but I can barely hold a decent conversation.


Exactly the same with me.