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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><>>>Using scientific reasoning, he/she is NOT right because I am creative and this there disproves his/her carefully thought-out generalization of .....never/can't/not.....

He or she actually sounds like an imbecile stuck in 'concrete operations'

I do hope this isn't the typical experience of those with AS who do have a current psy as it isn't particularly empowering <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<



You use a bit of too advanced English for me, sorry if I don't understand everything. I try to learn English as hard as I can.

I asked more a bit of a open question on what she told me, not literaly the words she told me.
Ofcourse its not scientific correct reasoned, it was generalized. She estimate that the majority is not creative. Don't take the words so full like they are, its just for faster talking.
And with 'Is she right' I mean: 'what is you're opinion on this.'

Can you explain me this?

I don't have an official diagnosis of ASD at the moment but am close to it so I think I can chime in..

I am and have always been artistic and I'm very creative when given a set purpose but I cannot just create for the sake of it.. As an example I sucked at art even though I'm artistic and can draw well. I sucked because I could never just paint or draw without a clear direction. My art teacher once said to me that "I can't see the wood for the trees" which took me a little while to figure out but the reality is that she was right.

I am an experienced and reasonably talented graphic designer.. I became a designer rather than an artist because design gives me enough direction for me to be able to be creative if that makes sense.

I used to joke years ago that I was autistic more so than artistic.. Little did I know at the time that it was possibly true.

Also just a side note.. I have noticed that alot of people consider themselves creative when they aren't necessarily. It's cool to be creative after all.

People might also consider themselves creative just because they can follow a knitting pattern, appreciate art or because someone once told them that they can draw (their Mum for example).

My 14 year old niece is a perfect example of someone who thinks they're artistic and creative when they aren't. I know this sounds cruel and I would never tell her this but she draws like a 6 year old and really isn't particularly creative in her thinking.

I remember one time we were around at the sister in-laws house and she brought out a drawing to show us. I was thinking "oh my god" but her Mum told her she was great at drawing as did everyone else. People are too nice and often don't know the difference between good and bad anyway. It's all pretty subjective to the general population much like choosing between pink and blue curtains for the lounge.

As an example.. I was drawing quite detailed objects and characters at the age of 10 as were some of my peers which far exceeded the inane scribblings of this 14 year old.

Haec mala sunt - sed tu non meliora facis [or is it fecis?] - Martial

In my lost youth, I took this stance. I said over and over to myself and occasionally to anyone who would listen that I was NOT creative, that anything I did was just extrapolation, following the pattern, variations on a theme.

Over time I started to notice - those CREATIVE people - where were the total new departures? It was all one more brick on the stack, extrapolation, extending the pattern.

I suspect completely new and unique departures in creativity are rare at best. I suspect no one would appreciate it if it happened. Whether I am creative or not I will not proclaim. But I know of at least three people as firmly inside the spectrum as I who are beyond doubt creative and acknowledge as such.

That's utterly wrong.

I'm diagnosed with Asperger's. I write poetry.

Bill Gates and Einstein were/are known to have traits, they could very well have it too. I'd say that they did things that were unique, wouldn't you?

If anything, I'd say we're more imaginative than NTs. We're the ones who are always apparently "in our own worlds" after all.

Misinterpretation due to a description of aspies as "lacking imagination", but IMO what was meant is SOCIAL imagination, as in being able to imagine what other people are thinking, or even consider it in the first place. Also not a lot of "roleplaying" among young aspies like playing "doctor", "cowboys and indians", and other social games. Instead we're in some corner busily imagining a world where other kids actually want to play with us...

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The symptoms of AS manifest themselves in so many different ways, in different people. Some people even show one symptom or another. The few other people I have known off of this site that have ASD's are actually very imaginative and creative.

I wish I were more creative myself though.

Just remembered this: Satoshi Tajiri, the creator of the $16 BILLION Pokémon franchise, is diagnosed with Asperger's.

It's been sort of alluded to in the thread, but I think a lot of people conflate "creative" and "artistic". I always think of "creative" as being creating something brand new - something truly original that nobody came up with before.

When I was young, I used to draw a lot. I remember a lot of people telling me how "creative" I was, but pretty much everything I drew came from somewhere else. I drew cartoon characters, comic book characters - even my "original" characters were loosely based on creations of other folks, including classmates. Even when I had a daily cartoon strip in college - I can point to the origins of each character as far as where they came from originally.

I'm a musician/songwriter, too, but I don't know that I what I do is really "creative". I might come up with interesting melodies, but I feel like my "style" is simply the combination of the bands I grew up listening to. The songs may be "new", but I'm not sure that they're "creative". That, and I have the worst time trying to write fictional things. I pretty much have to write lyrics about things I've done - the "imagined" things never feel real. (I've tried to write love songs, but they're always terrible, mainly because I've never been in love.)

So, I dunno. Having said that, I think the OP's psy is probably being a bit harsh and overstating it a bit.

Gates' gift was seeing a need and filling it. He didn't personally create many (if any) of his successes. One of his earliest was recognizing that IBM needed an operating system. He paid a programmer $10,000 to reverse-engineer an existing OS (called CPM) and licensed it to IBM. It became DOS.

Even Windows wasn't a Gates creation. Xerox developed the original.

Nearly every successful Microsoft product had a precursor. Gates just figured out how to do it cheaper, better, or simply eliminated the competition.

Einstein's creations came out of observing things and trying to explain the patterns. That seems particularly well-suited for someone with AS. It might be the creation of something "new", but it's a different kind of creativity.