Parts of objects ... what is that all about?

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23 Feb 2010, 4:57 pm

With all due respect, it is also simply a human trait. "Pulling pens apart" as a child does not mean THAT is an AS trait.
Most kids will do so.

The issue is the DEGREE and intensity of the "parts of objects" issue. Is detail there, IN ALL YOU DO?
Does it manifest in all areas of your life and in all you experience, or is it simply restricted to a task-oriented necessity or pursuit that occurs as a human trait/capacity to build or construct or deconstruct and pull apart.

All human beings do the latter. But a very pronounced IMMERSION in "bits of parts" as a way of relating to the world is the real issue in relation to AS.
One must explore the particular manifestations of it in one's own life and see to what extent and at what level of intensity, it exists and occurs.

There is a marked distinction in terms of degree.

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23 Feb 2010, 9:22 pm

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When you move through daily life, how do you perceive the world?

When you look at a car driving past in the street, do you look at all the car or do you home in on the rear vision mirror of that car?
Wen you look at the table, do you look at the expanse of table and absorb it, or do you home in on the small detail or area or the small dint on the surface?
when you look at a latch or a door handle, do you look at the whole door handle or latch or do you home in on a part of the door handle or latch.
When you pick up your sunglasses, do you home in on them as a whole object or do you focus on the small pin that holds the right side sunglasses arm to the lenses?

When you look at your child's face, do you look at their whole face or the small freckle or discolouration on their chin that has been obscured momentarily by the shadow of a tree leaf as he walks under a branch?

I NEVER look at a whole object. I can't. It isn't possible for me to do so. Every whole is broken down into smaller parts and pinpoint foci. This is how many on the spectrum view the world.

Every person is also focused on as parts of a whole. It means my character summations of others are often rudimentary and problematic. I cannot get a good sense of the "whole character" of an individual. Usually my summation of them is a consequence of a small and detailed interaction or a phrase. Someone becomes "nice" or "not nice" on this basis. I make a lot of mistakes with other humans as a result. lol.

Do you look at a great view that everyone oohs and aahs over? Do you "see" the whole view, or does it make you feel nauseous and while everyone waxes lyrical about the sheer beauty of the view, you automatically focus on one leaf of one distant tree in that oh so beautiful scene? You see, there is no beautiful scene. only bits of scene. There never has been and there never will be. It does not exist for me.

EVERYTHING is broken down in this way. EVERYTHING.
it is not some kind of choice or tendency. It is THE ONLY WAY of looking at and perceiving the world for me.

That is how my "bits of parts" expresses itself in my daily life in everything I do, and EVERYTHING i relate with and see. It has and will always be this way, because it is born out of a different neurology and not a preference or wish or choice-motivated inclination.

I cannot do this because I have peripheral vision.
How is it that you can do this?
What happens to the things in your peripheral vision?

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23 Feb 2010, 10:10 pm

I have peripheral vision.
I used the phrase 'homing in" to denote this process of focusing in on detail more and more.
because I have peripheral vision I do catch the peripheries. I am not talking about tunnel vision.
I am saying I home in on particular detail as opposed to expanse with everything i look at.

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24 Feb 2010, 3:42 am

I do spend a lot of time focussing on objects (to the extent that people notice) but I don't have any great problem with a wide view, thankfully.

Millie - I'm curious, can you visualise things, and if so, in what detail do you visualise them? (When I'm trying to visualise something, I don't see "a picture" so much as a rapidly moving and very quickly fading outline trace of the edges - like I'm trying to build a picture from parts.) Do you see a wide view when you dream?

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24 Feb 2010, 8:03 am

When I was last assessed for ASD, the assessor said I got fixated on "parts of objects" because I could not see the big picture and got detail focused. I didn't think it applied to me, 'cause I don't sit around fixated over looking at part of a fan or car, etc. but this is how it applied for me.

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24 Feb 2010, 8:26 am

I took art lessons growing up and I still vividly recall my favorite homework assignment, which was to find objects and draw an extreme closeup of them... meaning to not draw the whole thing. I went and drew SO many closeups that my teacher was really surprised I got THAT into it

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24 Feb 2010, 8:43 am

Magicfly wrote:

I disassemble oranges for example so I've got those little juicy bits that make up the segments

I don't do that any more but you have reminded me of when I used to do it .. the little segments tasted of nothing until they popped on the tongue ...

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When I was child, I loved to break broccoli to smaller and smaller pieces. It's natural fractal beauty! *_*

What do you think about Romanesco broccoli? It freaks me out. No way would I eat it. That is NOT food - it is some kind of a mathematical diagram.

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24 Feb 2010, 9:02 am

anomie wrote:

Magicfly wrote:

I disassemble oranges for example so I've got those little juicy bits that make up the segments

I don't do that any more but you have reminded me of when I used to do it .. the little segments tasted of nothing until they popped on the tongue ...

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When I was child, I loved to break broccoli to smaller and smaller pieces. It's natural fractal beauty! *_*

What do you think about Romanesco broccoli? It freaks me out. No way would I eat it. That is NOT food - it is some kind of a mathematical diagram.

Here's a great food to disassemble--baklava! Back when I still ate sugary stuff, I would get a piece of baklava and take it apart layer by layer. It was fascinating, and it took a looonnnngggg time to eat it.

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24 Feb 2010, 2:22 pm

I know it and I can't stop admire how beautiful things are on this world

NT-girls like looking at boys posters, I'm in love with fractals :heart:
And if logarithmic spiral, I have to say I love also Downward Spiral. By association. And because of my obsession - music and fractals.

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24 Feb 2010, 2:42 pm

Ambivalence wrote:

Yes, Ambivalence. I have a highly pronounced visual acuity and visual brain.
I still have peripheral vision and wide view, but I just do not home in on them. I home in on a part of an object. Always.
I have an almost photographic memory for visuals. And I have NO prosopagnosia. But the way I build up a picture is from bits of parts to whole....

I have big sensory problems as part of my AS dx and part of that is pronounced visual sensitivities.

In my dreams I still focus on parts. I honestly do not know how to do anything else visually. I can see the whole scene but I cannot take it in. So, I have perpheral vision but i cannot ABSORB the information like others do. I do not know what it is like to be able to take in a whole view and love it in the way I see others love it. I can "pretend" to do so, but my gut clenches as there is too much information overload and I cannot take it in. I focus on the twig or the leaf on that branch, instead.

I also do what Whitetiger mentions, which is fixate on details and fail to see the big picture when analyzing things.

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