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05 Mar 2010, 3:58 pm

I really liked Mozart and the Whale too.
Donald and Isabelle were nice characters.



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05 Mar 2010, 6:23 pm

I saw it and was impressed by it. :) It has some funny moments and there were some scenes where I felt like the character was a lot like me. :P


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05 Mar 2010, 7:26 pm

I saw Adam aswell and i have it in my film library along with Mozart and the Whale.
Both films are really sweet and i enjoyed them alot.



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05 Mar 2010, 7:29 pm

rented ert from blockbuster. i can relate to what he's feeling but they are of course over exaggerating it. they always love to put emphasis on eating the same thing over and over again with autists and aspies. i get bored with same foods over and over again.

*waits for overdone theater scene to come on*
*scene comes on*
i have a tendency to overdo it when someone asks me about an interest of mine but it's not like i'm out of control. gesum la wesum.


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06 Mar 2010, 10:19 am

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I saw it twice and my husband thought they told a story about our relationship in reverse. Hey the girl's name was also Beth but at least his name wasn't Michael.



I ordered it last night on 'comcast on demand' , and my wife and I watched it.
I didn't tell her anything extra about it beforehand ( that the featured character had A/S)
More than a few times my wife would look my way with a startled look( we sat on the couch) as the story developed. :lol:
Eventually when Adam said he had aspergers syndrome ; my wife got noticeably quiet.

What impacted me the most was his social anxiety in 'those ' parts and I readily identified with that.
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They stereotyped it a little and had it be exaggerated but that's Hollywood.


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06 Mar 2010, 1:12 pm

Okay, I guess I´m going to be a real crank here, but I was not crazy about this movie! (Although I did like the ending...I´m not going to say what that was though, as I don´t want to spoil the movie for those who haven´t seen it). First off, there was something about the NT character (Beth? Was that her name?) that I just didn´t like; I can´t quite put my finger on it. I found the movie quite stereotypical, and very "Hollywood".

I also wasn´t too keen on "Mozart and the Whale", sorry.

One problem I have with many AS movies is that I tend to find the characters rather flat. Although I recognize some of my behaviors, I don´t really "relate" much to these characters. I think this may be because the characters are being shown through NT eyes, and what they observe; or, quite possibly, what they have read about people with Asperger´s Syndrome. One exception to this is the movie "Ben X". Much of this movie takes place inside his head, so it is narrated by the AS character himself. The acting is brilliant, in my opinion, and it´s not a Hollywood film- (I believe it is a Dutch movie). When I watch that movie, I feel so much empathy and emotion- (only a rare film can do that to me). That is my favorite AS movie to date.

I also like films that are about Aspie-ish characters, but Asperger´s Syndrome is never mentioned. Most likely, the filmmaker didn´t even realize they were making a film about someone with possible AS. I think the female character in "Washington Park" was Aspie, and I just love that film; I related to it a lot when I saw it....(or was it called "Washington Square"? I can´t remember exactly, oops...) The male character in "Pi" seemed quite AS, one example of many. These kinds of films just seem more "real" to me somehow. Often, with the modern AS movies, I have the feeling the filmmakers are trying too hard to "say something" with these movies, though what that "something" is, I haven´t been able to figure out.


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06 Mar 2010, 1:57 pm

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Okay, I guess I´m going to be a real crank here, but I was not crazy about this movie! (Although I did like the ending...I´m not going to say what that was though, as I don´t want to spoil the movie for those who haven´t seen it). First off, there was something about the NT character (Beth? Was that her name?) that I just didn´t like; I can´t quite put my finger on it. I found the movie quite stereotypical, and very "Hollywood".

I also wasn´t too keen on "Mozart and the Whale", sorry.

One problem I have with many AS movies is that I tend to find the characters rather flat. Although I recognize some of my behaviors, I don´t really "relate" much to these characters. I think this may be because the characters are being shown through NT eyes, and what they observe; or, quite possibly, what they have read about people with Asperger´s Syndrome. One exception to this is the movie "Ben X". Much of this movie takes place inside his head, so it is narrated by the AS character himself. The acting is brilliant, in my opinion, and it´s not a Hollywood film- (I believe it is a Dutch movie). When I watch that movie, I feel so much empathy and emotion- (only a rare film can do that to me). That is my favorite AS movie to date.

I also like films that are about Aspie-ish characters, but Asperger´s Syndrome is never mentioned. Most likely, the filmmaker didn´t even realize they were making a film about someone with possible AS. I think the female character in "Washington Park" was Aspie, and I just love that film; I related to it a lot when I saw it....(or was it called "Washington Square"? I can´t remember exactly, oops...) The male character in "Pi" seemed quite AS, one example of many. These kinds of films just seem more "real" to me somehow. Often, with the modern AS movies, I have the feeling the filmmakers are trying too hard to "say something" with these movies, though what that "something" is, I haven´t been able to figure out.
I was going to part this quote into smaller ones, but I did not.
You may have to pair comments up for relevance.

Ben-X is a Belgian movie.
I do not mind that the movies 'Adam' and 'Mozart and the Whale' did not play in their heads, although I will watch Ben-X, because I do not want to know what goes on in the head of someone else.
This comment is probably not too helpful, apart from the correction.



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06 Mar 2010, 11:52 pm

I saw it, and I thought it was incredibly boring. I didn't relate to the character of Adam at all. I judge movies about neuropsychiatric disorders by either how much I'm able to connect to them (if I happen to have the specific neuropsych disorder addressed in the film) or by how much the film goes beyond stereotypes and shows the disability the condition causes. In the case of "Adam", I thought Adam only showed superficial AS traits. And there were instances when I felt actions were done out of character. Like when he kissed that girl (forget her name) out of the blue. It wasn't an example of him kissing a stranger and not knowing social boundaries. He was clearly dating the girl. So, I felt it was poor that he kissed her. I would have no idea when to kiss somebody on a date, how to know that it was wanted. Adam needed help going on job interviews, but he knew when to go in for the kiss? :roll:

And I, too, thought "Mozart and the Whale" was awful. I thought they focused too much on stereotypes, and once again, I didn't connect. A great film about neuropsych disorders? "A Beautiful Mind", my favorite movie. The part on schizophrenia is wonderfully done, and at the beginning, pre-psychosis Nash at grad school is a perfect depiction of Asperger's, with whom I fully connect. Another great neuropsych film is "The Aviator." I do not have handwashing/contamination OCD (I'm a pure obsessional), but Leonardo DiCaprio portrayed the underlying fear and incapacitation of all types of OCD so well that I connected with the character.
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07 Mar 2010, 12:02 am

I preordered a copy from Amazon and it arrived a few weeks ago.

I saw much of myself in Adam (except he doesn't appear to lift weights or do any other sports).

Like me he also finds good work in an area of extremely narrow focus and in the final few scenes (including the alternative ending) he seems to have found at least a small measure of 'inner peace'.

I am still in awe of how I can carry out complex technical solution design (and play with maths in my head) and at the same time be almost completely unable to recognise verbal meaning that differs from the 'literal' meaning.

Yes, I enjoyed the movie very much and I would recommend the original DVD to so that you don't miss any of the special features.


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07 Mar 2010, 11:23 am

Oh yeah, I also liked "A Beautiful Mind"; I saw it a long time ago, so I don´t remember everything about it. I should watch it again sometime.

My parents met the real John Nash, at some kind of function. He went to Princeton, like my Dad- (though this was years before my Dad went there). Apparently, he used to hang around the campus a lot, so my Dad saw him there from time to time.


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07 Mar 2010, 11:39 am

I looked up John Nash online and was very disappointed how Hollywood changed facts about Nash and his illness. He actually had paranoid schizophrenia and how he was in the movie, he wasn't anything like that in real life. So I don't like the movie anymore. I don't know why I still have it.

I was afraid they did the same to Temple Grandin so I was wondering if they over exaggerated her behavior but I was happy to hear they didn't Hollywood it because Temple wouldn't allow them and Claire Danes spent time with her and listened to her past voice and stuff and did a good job portraying her according to Temple.



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07 Mar 2010, 1:56 pm

I have very little interest in the real John Nash's life, so I really couldn't care less what facts they changed for the movie. I watch the movie for the plot only. But one thing that wasn't changed was the type of schizophrenia Nash had. Both the real John Nash and the movie version had paranoid schizophrenia. The real Nash, however, had mostly auditory hallucinations, whereas the movie version had both auditory and visual. This is because it is hard to depict solely auditory hallucinations in film. The real Nash also began having psychotic symptoms around age 30, and the movie showed Nash already having been psychotic in grad school, in his early 20s. The movie actually is a better depiction of schizophrenia here, because it is very rare for schizophrenia to occur after the age of 30, especially in males.

Anyway, I can totally understand why you're against the movie for the fact that they changed things. If I had any interest in the real John Nash, I probably wouldn't like the movie, either. But I don't. :lol: I watch for the accurate portrayal of schizophrenia, for the intellectual pursuits Nash made, and for the wonderful romance between Nash and Alicia.
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07 Mar 2010, 9:21 pm

I were pretty disappointed in the adam film and i also didnt like how they interpret aspergers. I found it quite offensive to have to listen to a dad of the girl who were datiing adam that he shouldnt get married because he has got aspergers that is so wrong. it doesnt matter if we got disabilities or not we got a freedom to fulfil and we can have independence.



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07 Mar 2010, 9:31 pm

By watching the previews, Adam seems to be the same way about Astronomy, as I am about The Kinks. 8)


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07 Mar 2010, 9:47 pm

OddDuckNash99 wrote:
II would have no idea when to kiss somebody on a date, how to know that it was wanted. Adam needed help going on job interviews, but he knew when to go in for the kiss? :roll:

That's just it! He didn't "know" when to go for the kiss. He just acted spontaneously, in the moment. It was almost childlike, this spontaneity. Not some suave, been- there-done-that action, IMO.


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07 Mar 2010, 10:30 pm

OddDuckNash99 wrote:
A great film about neuropsych disorders? "A Beautiful Mind", my favorite movie. The part on schizophrenia is wonderfully done, and at the beginning, pre-psychosis Nash at grad school is a perfect depiction of Asperger's, with whom I fully connect.

Another great neuropsych film is "The Aviator." I do not have handwashing/contamination OCD (I'm a pure obsessional), but Leonardo DiCaprio portrayed the underlying fear and incapacitation of all types of OCD so well that I connected with the character.
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Thanks for reminding us (well me at least) about these two movies both of which I thoroughly enjoyed.

I am building a small library of AS/Autism Spectrum movies and I am surprised at how many movies actually qualify for inclusion (neuro-psych disorders).

The original 'Cloudy with Meatballs' book had nothing to do with the Spectrum (I re read it the other week just to check) but the central character in the movie seems to show quite clear traits (I can give you a weblink that lists about 30 traits that seem to be demonstrated by 'Flint Lockwood')

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