i thought aspies have high iq................

Page 2 of 5 [ 68 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

Willard
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Mar 2008
Age: 65
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,647

19 Mar 2010, 5:21 pm

au wrote:
people with high iq are usually great with science, especially math and physics.


WTF? That's a very odd assumption. One can be a brilliant artist, writer, inventor, humorist, dancer, teacher or philosopher (just to name a few) and absolutely suuuuck at mathematics. I find physics fascinating but the math that supports it is incomprehensible to me. The conceptual theories make perfect sense because I can visualize them as models. The math involves mixing numbers and letters and that's just plain nonsense. :roll:

Conversely you can be an amazing Mathematician and be utterly lousy at teaching math to other people. Wouldn't the people who grasp higher math so easily be the best at helping other minds to understand it? One would think, but it rarely works out that way...

I think you're stereotyping IQ by the criteria of a Poindexter cartoon.

In any case, Aspies aren't born with silver Doctorates in their mouths. If they are, somebody lost mine, along with my bronzed baby shoes...and my train set. :wink:



pensieve
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Nov 2008
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,204
Location: Sydney, Australia

19 Mar 2010, 6:04 pm

I have an average IQ.
I also have dyscalculia, which is like math dyslexia.
I also have a memory problem and comprehension problem which makes it hard to remember anything about science. I am interested in it though.


_________________
My band photography blog - http://lostthroughthelens.wordpress.com/
My personal blog - http://helptheywantmetosocialise.wordpress.com/


DemonAbyss10
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Aug 2007
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,492
Location: The Poconos, Pennsylvania

19 Mar 2010, 6:10 pm

Tollorin wrote:
Janissy wrote:
au wrote:
a lot of them do and people with high iq are usually great with science, especially math and physics.
however, http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf118168-0-15.html

the poll is asking which is the hardest subject and math has the most vote, then physics.

why is this? i thought aspies are the people of science. im assuming that hard means inproficiency.


The part I bolded is an assumption you made. It is not a fact.


There is some true in this assumption. Peoples interested in science and math are generally of high IQ. Not all highly intelligent peoples are interessed in them, but this quite spread and can be considered as a sign of high intelligence. Some interests like sciences, politics or philosophy in a child is a sign of intellectual giftedness (+ 130 IQ), and most gifteds are not aspergers, though some are. And most aspergers are not gifted, though some are.

If look in " Computers, Math, Science, and Technology" section, you'll see that it's more about computers that maths and sciences (sadly...:().


DemonAbyss10 wrote:
Ambivalence wrote:
I know a useful mathematical formula: IQ ≡ BS :wink:

Yeah, you can be like me, get it tested into the upper 160s, and still have the following.

1)No Drivers License
2)No Job
3)Cant get into school because aid doesnt cover anything. And you cant afford community college
4)Even when you had a job, you couldnt get a college loan because of the whole credit rating BS. Why the f**k should I put myself in debt just to increase a damn number so I can get a college loan.


It's supposed to mesure intelligence, not sucess. BTW, you're situation look like mine. :(


I was using it as a point to prove that IQ means nothing, its just another way people try to judge others.


_________________
Myers Brigg - ISTP
Socionics - ISTx
Enneagram - 6w5

Yes, I do have a DeviantArt, it is at.... http://demonabyss10.deviantart.com/


nicjor79
Emu Egg
Emu Egg

User avatar

Joined: 25 Aug 2009
Age: 45
Gender: Female
Posts: 4
Location: Birmingham, AL

19 Mar 2010, 6:39 pm

Well, my IQ was 154 the last time I was tested, which is technically genius level, if you use that scale to judge a genius. Im high school I needed a tutor to pass calculus (which I did with a D, by the way). In college I took the lowest level math that satisfied the general education requirement and made a C. I'll admit that I probably could have studied harder and done better, but oh well. Oddly enough, when I took the GRE for grad school my quantitative score was 760. But then again, it was multiple choice, like much of the standard IQ test is. I've always been a good guesser.

So a high IQ doesn't make you good at everything.


_________________
"To be wicked is never excusable, but there is some merit in knowing that you are; the most irreparable of vices is to do evil from stupidity." -Charles Baudelaire


ursaminor
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Nov 2009
Age: 158
Gender: Male
Posts: 936
Location: Leiden, Netherlands

19 Mar 2010, 7:03 pm

Not necessarily high IQ, but having an IQ at least in the average range is in the diagnostic criteria for Asperger's syndrome.
Also, IQ tests do not measure musical or humorous proficiency, just academic.
And academics tend to be composed of sciences.



KoS
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 2 Mar 2010
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 129

19 Mar 2010, 7:06 pm

My high IQ was one of the reasons they ruled me out as being on the spectrum.


_________________
2 LFA Brothers + 1 Aspie Sister


pensieve
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Nov 2008
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,204
Location: Sydney, Australia

19 Mar 2010, 8:34 pm

KoS wrote:
My high IQ was one of the reasons they ruled me out as being on the spectrum.

There would have had to be more reasons though. Social skills for one.


_________________
My band photography blog - http://lostthroughthelens.wordpress.com/
My personal blog - http://helptheywantmetosocialise.wordpress.com/


au
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 6 Sep 2009
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 177

19 Mar 2010, 8:45 pm

DemonAbyss10 wrote:
Ambivalence wrote:
I know a useful mathematical formula: IQ ≡ BS :wink:

Yeah, you can be like me, get it tested into the upper 160s, and still have the following.

1)No Drivers License
2)No Job
3)Cant get into school because aid doesnt cover anything. And you cant afford community college
4)Even when you had a job, you couldnt get a college loan because of the whole credit rating BS. Why the f**k should I put myself in debt just to increase a damn number so I can get a college loan.


iq is not bs at all. it measures your potential if measured correctly. you're talking some other problem not related to iq, perhaps eq and/or something other. if you were in classes and studying adequately or a little less or more, you'd be getting really high marks because of your iq for the subjects you have an aptitude for. iq can be commonly known as bs only because in order for it to function the way people usually think they do, you also have to have just another factor of effort, given that you have a suitable situation for studying.



KoS
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 2 Mar 2010
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Posts: 129

19 Mar 2010, 8:46 pm

There were quite a few reasons I didn't end up with an ASD diagnosis.

Mainly though it was because most of my symptoms were that of an LFA (not much speech, stimming, lack of interest in people, not playing properly, general akward behavior), but I clearly wasn't LFA because in certain situations (mostly away from my family) I would not display most of these traits nearly as much.

Turns out most of my LFA behaviors were leanred from from my to brothers and it just became 'natural' to me as I would have been looking to them to learn my social cues. They considered that I might have HFA/AS but when I took the IQ test and the results came back so good they just seemed to rule everything out.

I still have some ASD traits, but they are more part of my personality and it's the way I prefer to be. The only ASD trait I have these days that bothers me is the urge to wipe my face repeatedly (my older brothers major stim) when trying to work out a problem, old habit.


_________________
2 LFA Brothers + 1 Aspie Sister


Last edited by KoS on 19 Mar 2010, 8:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

au
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 6 Sep 2009
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 177

19 Mar 2010, 8:47 pm

Fintan29 wrote:
A high IQ doesn't mean you'll have a great life. At the moment, I think it means what potential one can have at being bright. I'm into Maths and Physics a lot, but I'm not doing very well at them at the moment. I'm very lazy to study.
An Aspie usually has average or above IQ. It doesn't mean that all of them will.


when did i say they'll have a great life, and when did i say all of them have the iq? different topic?



au
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 6 Sep 2009
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 177

19 Mar 2010, 8:50 pm

Willard wrote:
au wrote:
people with high iq are usually great with science, especially math and physics.


WTF? That's a very odd assumption. One can be a brilliant artist, writer, inventor, humorist, dancer, teacher or philosopher (just to name a few) and absolutely suuuuck at mathematics. I find physics fascinating but the math that supports it is incomprehensible to me. The conceptual theories make perfect sense because I can visualize them as models. The math involves mixing numbers and letters and that's just plain nonsense. :roll:

Conversely you can be an amazing Mathematician and be utterly lousy at teaching math to other people. Wouldn't the people who grasp higher math so easily be the best at helping other minds to understand it? One would think, but it rarely works out that way...

I think you're stereotyping IQ by the criteria of a Poindexter cartoon.

In any case, Aspies aren't born with silver Doctorates in their mouths. If they are, somebody lost mine, along with my bronzed baby shoes...and my train set. :wink:


can people just understand im saying some, not all????????? man

i didn't stereotype anything. i said usually, and did i say people, who are great with math, can also teach well? i think youguys are the ones stereotyping, not me, in thinking that im stereotyping.

science people tend to have high iq's because science is fact and arts is nothing but something you make up. language isn't something you can make up now, but it was made up a long time ago, and science wasn't but discovered. for science, you have to go to it, but for arts, it comes to you instead. im guessing this could be the reason men tend to do better in science and women in arts. these are the subjects that seem to fit their instincts. for example, men are the ones usually to propose to ask people out like trying to figure out fact, whereas women are the ones being asked like creating literature. it also fits their physical lay out, if you get what i mean, the physical difference between men and women.



Last edited by au on 19 Mar 2010, 9:55 pm, edited 2 times in total.

au
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 6 Sep 2009
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 177

19 Mar 2010, 9:01 pm

nicjor79 wrote:
Well, my IQ was 154 the last time I was tested, which is technically genius level, if you use that scale to judge a genius. Im high school I needed a tutor to pass calculus (which I did with a D, by the way). In college I took the lowest level math that satisfied the general education requirement and made a C. I'll admit that I probably could have studied harder and done better, but oh well. Oddly enough, when I took the GRE for grad school my quantitative score was 760. But then again, it was multiple choice, like much of the standard IQ test is. I've always been a good guesser.

So a high IQ doesn't make you good at everything.


you just didn't do your best. you'd get a really high mark in the subjects of your aptitude. even if you're not great with math, you could be a genius of something else. i didn't say all high iq's are science people.



au
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 6 Sep 2009
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 177

19 Mar 2010, 9:07 pm

pensieve wrote:
KoS wrote:
My high IQ was one of the reasons they ruled me out as being on the spectrum.

There would have had to be more reasons though. Social skills for one.


he said one of the reasons, not the only reason, and even if he had just said a reason or the reason, you could assume that there were other reasons. they're professionals. i just wanted to point that out.



Last edited by au on 19 Mar 2010, 9:24 pm, edited 2 times in total.

au
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 6 Sep 2009
Age: 47
Gender: Male
Posts: 177

19 Mar 2010, 9:17 pm

if i have had said, high iq's are usually good in science, then this statement would kind of be stereotyped because there're also a lot of people with high iq who are good in other areas. it'd be half and half. however, i said it the other way around that science people usually have high iq's, and most of them really do. they wouldn't function very well with science in their head when working if not. even if most don't, it's better than saying that high iq's are usually good in math. switching these two statements would be like turning around 92% to 8% or vice versa with 50% being the midpoint.



Last edited by au on 19 Mar 2010, 10:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.

spudmonkey
Butterfly
Butterfly

User avatar

Joined: 8 Feb 2010
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 15
Location: Up The Creek without a paddle.

19 Mar 2010, 9:37 pm

My IQ was tested at 14, I scored 158. I'm rubbish at mathematics. I'm not really good at anything, unless I become intently interested in a subject, and even then it's a very narrow interest (newts). The one thing I'm exceptionally good at is drawing and painting, and I hate drawing and art related activities with a passion.

I've done a dozen of those online IQ test recently and my scores are erratic, as low as 80 and as high as the 150's. I don't bother with them any more, all they prove is that some days I test well other days I don't.



pensieve
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 18 Nov 2008
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Posts: 8,204
Location: Sydney, Australia

19 Mar 2010, 10:02 pm

I'm good at drawing too, but I find it messy and I end up feeling gross. I get more pencil markings on me than on the paper. I'm quite good at it though. I recently went from black and white sketching to colour, and I can pick it up easily without someone showing me or reading step by step instructions. I suppose, if I ever had a gift then this is it.


_________________
My band photography blog - http://lostthroughthelens.wordpress.com/
My personal blog - http://helptheywantmetosocialise.wordpress.com/