I have 'recovered'!
"Faking NT" wouldn't make you non-impaired though. It implies that you're using a heck of a lot more effort than the NTs do, and that in itself is an impairment--you don't have enough brain left over at the end of the day to do other stuff. It's why a lot of Aspies burn out.
But there's the legitimate losing-your-diagnosis thing that happens when you do learn to compensate, learn to communicate, learn to get around in a world that wasn't particularly made for you; without using more effort, or needing technological/human assistance. It's like how you can't diagnose somebody with dyslexia after they've learned to read fluently; even though they've still got the same sort of brain arrangement, they're reading fine and the diagnosis would serve no purpose.
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During my thirties, though, I was much less social (though not a recluse), yet my ASD improved substantially!
This mirrors my experience, though I'm only just 30. My hermit years were 25 through 29. I'd like to speculate on why doing this helped us, but I don't have a clue.
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Becoming a hermit helped me, too. I speculate it's because dealing with people every day was too stressful for my CNS and it was in a cycle of negative reactionary patterns. Being alone helped me to recognize the cycle and retrain my CNS to respond differently. I changed my state of mind and disciplined it to remain in a calmer state. Perhaps my reactions could revert back to how they were, but I will try to keep that from happening by allowing plenty of time either by myself or with people who I know won't trigger me.
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Callista - thx, but I'm not claiming it's a great achievement; it's just luck really. Whether recovery is the most appropriate word is pretty semantic tbh. It doesn't alter the essence of what happened.
Pumibel - a difference in wiring that disables people, and can cause untold misery. For most people with ASD it's not just a charming quirk it's devastating. The brain is inadvertently wired in a way that obstructs successful living. No-one is 'supposed' to be Autistic, but something goes wrong in the womb. I don't think 'damage' is going too far. The last thing I'm doing is faking NT. That's what I tried to do until I was 30 and it was a disaster. And it's not just my social skills that have improved. How can I fake normal common sense? If common sense was 'fakable' I wouldn't have screwed things up in my twenties. Again, I'm not claiming I've found a cure, I'm simply providing further evidence that backs up what the most renowned experts are saying: relatively mild ASD CAN improve with time, as the deficient (for successful functioning in society) brain wiring gradually becomes more NT-like (perhaps helped by intensive brain stimulation such as reading/studying interesting material).
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I'm very happy for you.
I find my self in similar shoes now.
-At one time I had a such high-toxic- dose of social anxiety that I thought (axiomatically) it would either kill me(literaly) or it would have to burn out;one of the two.
Well I'm still alive ,as it did significantly burn out around my mid thirties.
It was paralyzing
-My common sense was embarrassing in my early adult hood and I thought I was unintelligent /handicapped/ret*d.
I believe this was the main underpin of my social anxiety , and the two compounded one another in a symbiotic relationship.
The other was too much data input in a novel environment.
I had very literal thinking.
As a caveat , Ive had periods throughout my life to where I gained social skills through painstaking efforts and then suddenly lost them overnight....literally in a puff of smoke.
This has happened on and off up to my late 30's.
So I'm always suspicious of this respite , as Ive seen it vacillate to where the rug gets pulled out from under my feet......I guess time alone will answer my question.
So far I'm in the clear till now(45)
Ive literally carried on a private warfare with this condition as I thought I was going insane.
There's more to this than I've wrote here.
The bottom line is I really dont know what to think about all of this as it is atypical in many ways , and wonder myself if it is a/s or something of another sort.
Hey, you may. Hmmm, well I wasted a lot of it. I quit my job and stayed indoors playing video games a lot. I read a bit. I was looking for answers. Why was the world so unpleasant? Eventually I ran out of money and had to go move back in with my father. I got very bad then, quite suicidal. I went to a doctor who medicated me, and I signed up for some group psychotherapy. I pretty much remained hermetic back home, speaking with my family very little, and having no friends. Kept reading, voraciously. Discovered Buddhism. That helped a lot. I dropped the meds, they were messing me up by now. Started therapy once a week. It was okay, but I felt that it was too slow. It did help me build a little self esteem, and let me practice social things on real humans. I started dreaming again, which might sound a bit mad, but I think it really helped me out. I was terrified of work and stayed off the dole, so as not to be in a situation where I would be forced to work or engage in negative activities. I cut all my expenses down to the bone to give me more time and space. Eventually I started to reconnect with the world in small ways and felt comfortable with it. I think this is where you find me now.
I think giving myself more space was crucial. Like ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo (love that handle) said, gaining some breathing room to examine what was going on probably helped a lot. To get out of the vicious cycles that kept me rooted in misery.
Nowadays, I'm not a success as a human being by any standard (I'm unemployed, alone, still living in my father's house) but at least I find life tolerable, and I can engage with other human beings without too much trouble.
I hope this was useful to you, if you can think of anything specific you'd like me talk about, let me know.
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"Recovery" is a silly word anyhow; you were never typical to begin with, so what's there to recover from? It's like recovering from being left-handed or female or gay or whatever--just doesn't make sense. When you use "recovery" properly, you're using it to say, "I had an illness/condition that changed my healthy state to an unhealthy one; and I have since returned to my original healthy state." For example, recovery from the flu; or recovery from depression; or recovery from a broken ankle. (Although with depression and other recurrent disorders such as cancer, schizophrenia, or epilepsy, the technical term is "remission"--that is, being symptom-free. Sometimes remission lasts a lifetime, but the condition can always come back thanks to its recurrent nature.)
In any case, that's a silly word to use for autism, because autism was how you were born, not something that changed afterward. What you did--and what many of us have done, or will in the future do--is to come to a level, developmentally, where you were capable of learning enough to compensate for the difference between your skill levels and what society expects of the average person. Once that's done, you can't be diagnosed anymore; but your brain's still wired up the same way it always was, and your cognitive style's still different.
It's a great accomplishment; don't get me wrong about that. It involved learning a lot of difficult stuff, though it likely also involved some sheer luck just to get to the point where you had the capacity to learn it. It is not, however, particularly remarkable for an autistic person to lose a diagnosis, though it's somewhat unusual for someone to do it so late in life as their forties (it's much more common in the preteen years). Well, at least, "not particularly remarkable" if you take the amazing, complex, fascinating human brain itself as your baseline, because if you didn't do that, you'd have to say that anything at all that you did with your brain was really, really amazing--because the human brain really is that amazing.
Anyway, now that I'm done lecturing you on your terminology, congratulations. Old dog, meet new tricks--you're one of the many who prove that people do not stop learning at age five, or twelve, or eighteen, or even thirty. As long as you're alive, you learn. Educators and other professionals give up on autistics way too often because they think that old autistics can't learn new tricks. Well, they can!
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ASD can be debilitating, but it's not the fact that it's ASD that makes it debilitating, it's the fact that a lot of people on the spectrum aren't balanced. What hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread is the fact that a lot of people who would be "NTs" cannot think logically or systematically to save their own lives. What happens to them? The same thing that gets told to many of us: "omg how can you make such a stupid decision? you don't make any sense!" Except that it doesn't get told to an Aspie, it gets told to one of those super social, emotional people. While the OP might think of ASD as some kind of disease or even brain damage, the reality is more complicated than that. It isn't that "Aspies are brain damaged, NTs are healthy", it's actually that "balanced is healthy, unbalanced is not". Regardless of your neurology, Aspie or NT, if you're not balanced, you will have debilitating handicaps in your life, period. You just might not recognize the handicaps the super social people have, because they're able to make friends and empathize with others very easily.
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Since the level of 'normal' functioning isn't that great, it is entirely probable that above-average IQ AS people will become more 'normal' as they get older.
I started becoming normal immediately after using fluoxetine which I still believe is a short-cut for those who don't want to wait until they're 40 before they start to feel the same way as normal people do.
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However you percieve yourself, to be diagnosed, you need to still be manifesting clinically significant impairment. Maybe you think you no longer manifest clinically significant impairment, but either you were misdiagnosed or your inability to detect the exent to which you remain impaired, is a function of your impairment.
Mdyar - thx, and I'm happy for you. Hmm, I'm not sure whether you have ASD or 'just' social anxiety, though. I doubt ASD would get much better, and then worse again; anxiety could.
Moog - thx. I was just wondering whether, like me, you'd spent your reclusive period stimulating your mind, as I did. Maybe you did - video games, reading, etc? Perhaps if an ASD individual spends an intense period stimulating his/her mind with something of great interest to them this can help to 'repair' brain deficiencies thus making them more NT? No way of knowing this 100% of course.
Stinkypuppy - Nope, I disagree. If all that was true WP would be redundant. Of course NTs have problems, which vary by individual, but ASD is characterized by specific disabilities (and they are disabilities if they prevent you from functioning successfully). I had practically the full range of ASD symptoms 15 years ago, and now I don't.
DavidM - Sorry but Prozac in itself doesn't relieve the symptoms of ASD, only the anxiety that accompanies ASD. It's possible your Autistic symptoms improved at roughly the same time as taking Prozac, but if Prozac itself was a 'cure' doctors would simply prescribe this!
Pandd - You just have to take my word for it, or not if you prefer. I, and everyone who knows me well, knows there is huge difference between the way I was 15 years ago and now. If I told you some of the stupid decisions I made in my twenties due to my total lack of common sense you'd laugh or cry. Now I have pretty much normal common sense. As I said in my OP my social skills are incomparable. I used to have obscure obsessions that lasted a couple of months, then I forgot all about them. Now I just have 'normal' interests. I agree that one has to be careful about self-diagnosing marginal improvements, but I'm like a completely different person. There's really no room for doubt.