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08 May 2010, 10:01 am

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...we can't skip the experiencing part, because then we'd have nothing to remember.


In the theory I was describing, perception goes directly to memory. It's not that our entire brain skips the experiencing, just the conscious part that's deciding what to do.

Also, we can consciously alter our memory, but often there is a delay that affects even this ability.

If this theory is true, it's rather amazing how alive we seem; why do we even bother with the present? Well, low functioning catatonics don't, and autism is, at least according to common beliefs, a spectrum.

Oh my, am I disagreeing with every autism specialist in existence? This is fun!

As I see it, most psychologists are more interested in treating symptoms, rather than understanding the underlying cause of the disease, so hopefully I'm not a completely arrogant fool.

I'm just waiting for someone to call me a bloody idiot, because that's usually been true.



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08 May 2010, 10:10 am

I definitely have the echo problem. I will give people answers to questions they have forgot they asked.

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we can't skip the experiencing part, because then we'd have nothing to remember.


I do skip the experiencing part entirely sometimes, How much recollection I have over what occurred in my absence tends to vary.

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More able to determine when one is lost in the 'tape loops' (...) and more able to let them go at inception, or as soon as is useful.


My problem would be identifying once a loop has become useless, looping the words of others in my mind is the only real way I understand the subtext of what they are saying. Not being able to recognize that there is something there to begin with, how would I know when i'm done?

I don't know wither focusing on a present that I will never really understand properly is worth shutting down the other things that are going on



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08 May 2010, 5:52 pm

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I definitely have the echo problem. I will give people answers to questions they have forgot they asked.


i do this too .. if i'm not really listening, i'll "store" a sentence or two and hear it afterward somehow.

i often am very present in the moment though, but at those times i can get a bit lost in sensory experience. it's a pleasant but dysfunctional state.


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08 May 2010, 6:19 pm

Okay, I'm going one ridiculous step further: Autism, or rather its defining feature, is not a spectrum at all; rather, the apparent spectrum is a result of the ordinarily non-pathological variation in the quality of our memory. This affects ordinary humans only slightly, but in our case, memory is absolutely essential.



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08 May 2010, 6:28 pm

This is an interesting conversation. In a simple way, perhaps one of the problems of having Asperger's is that we attempt to (or perhaps need to) exist in two times at once. Hmm, no wonder we often feel kinda like we're being torn apart.

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I definitely have the echo problem. I will give people answers to questions they have forgot they asked.


I used to do that a lot. Everyone else has moved a mile down the road and you got transfixed by something a ways back.

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we can't skip the experiencing part, because then we'd have nothing to remember.


I do skip the experiencing part entirely sometimes, How much recollection I have over what occurred in my absence tends to vary.


You only skipped it (I assume) in a conscious way. You were on autopilot. You can't recall something without perceiving it in some way, whether on a conscious level or unconscious.

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More able to determine when one is lost in the 'tape loops' (...) and more able to let them go at inception, or as soon as is useful.


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My problem would be identifying once a loop has become useless, looping the words of others in my mind is the only real way I understand the subtext of what they are saying. Not being able to recognize that there is something there to begin with, how would I know when i'm done?


I don't have an answer to that. Perhaps rigourous examination will yield clues. Perhaps ask why are you looping the sounds. What can you glean from repeated examination?

To carry on with the tape echo metaphor, the tape wears with each passing and subsequent loops are significantly degraded with time. Can the memory be relied upon to keep a perfect copy of the exact intonations of the original speech, sound, or image?

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I don't know wither focusing on a present that I will never really understand properly is worth shutting down the other things that are going on


Well the only thing for not knowing is finding out, isn't it?

Thinking has it's place, but I think that we (aspies) especially tend to overdo it. Perhaps one of our mistakes is that we feel the need to understand everything, where we could choose to let more things pass by un-understood.


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08 May 2010, 6:59 pm

hrmpk wrote:
Okay, I'm going one ridiculous step further: Autism, or rather its defining feature, is not a spectrum at all; rather, the apparent spectrum is a result of the ordinarily non-pathological variation in the quality of our memory. This affects ordinary humans only slightly, but in our case, memory is absolutely essential.


you are like that guy on acid who discovers the secret to the universe. i'll just stare for a couple more hours at the knots in the woodwork.


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08 May 2010, 10:41 pm

I don't need LSD. :twisted:



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08 May 2010, 10:45 pm

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I don't need LSD. :twisted:


me neither. :flower:


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10 May 2010, 7:43 pm

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Perhaps one of our mistakes is that we feel the need to understand everything, where we could choose to let more things pass by un-understood.


I would definitely agree with this one. it is very hard to walk by anything out of the ordinary and not stop and understand. It is like these things are screaming at me, begging and pleading to be understood. So far understanding is the only way I know you quiet them.

I could never understand how NT people could walk though the world of things they don't understand and not care. Work every day with processes and machines, yet never want to understand how they function.

More and more I am now realizing that I have been doing the same thing all my life. Everyday I walk by people with little or no interest in who they are, what they are thinking or how the hell they function like they do.