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29 May 2010, 4:10 am

21 but I just guessed most as I was rather clueless, a few times when eyes looked away I figured that must have something to do with fear, because I read that in a book, also it was a horrible test, I can't stand to look at eyes



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29 May 2010, 4:46 am

I got a 29, but I did my typical habit with MC questions and looked back and forth between the question (face) and the answers for nearly all of them. xP

No, I don't think it's that accurate, but I wouldn't be too surprised if I was sort of okay at telling emotions if I remembered to look people in the eyes and actually try to figure out what they're feeling. >.> I look people in the eyes usually, but mostly it's just so they know I'm paying attention, and I don't even think about their faces unless they have obvious expressions on them.


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29 May 2010, 4:48 am

its even worse when you notice emotions and you are completely in the dark about what emotion and why...



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29 May 2010, 5:06 am

IamTheWalrus wrote:
its even worse when you notice emotions and you are completely in the dark about what emotion and why...

Yeah, I definitely know what you mean. People are really confusing at times. That's why I just prefer not to worry about it most of the time, and just leave people alone that I think I should leave alone, and engage everyone else that sparks my interest, without bothering too much about what they're thinking about or feeling. ^^

I tend to do this less with close friends though. Once I know someone on a deep, personal level, their often an open book to me, at least compared to before. This is also very bad because it can lead me into a trap of feeling confident that I know someone's emotions because we've had deep and personal conversations a bit before, and I feel like I connect with them, when really, they know a lot more about me than I do about them.


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29 May 2010, 6:46 am

33, but I took my time analyzing the expressions and used the elimination method. I even had to mimic some of the expressions myself and think of how I would feel. If this was in a real life situation, I would have gotten a 10 at the very best.



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29 May 2010, 7:04 am

28, the difference with reality is that you don't get 4 multiple choice answers.

If this quiz was fill in the blank I would have gotten maybe two of them right, because I was clueless without the answers. (I'm a good test taker)


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29 May 2010, 7:34 am

28 too.


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29 May 2010, 8:05 am

Your score: 23
A typical score is in the range 22-30. If you scored over 30,
you are very accurate at decoding a person's facial expressions
around their eyes. A score under 22 indicates you find this quite difficult


This was very difficult, I'm surprised I did so well because I had to guess at almost all the answers. It seemed to be the same eyes over & over again with no differences.


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29 May 2010, 8:31 am

I don't understand something. I got 28. In real life, when I encounter these types of facial gestures, I usually ask how that person is feeling and they will say the opposite of what I thought they were thinking. Does this mean they are lying to me? Are my gut feelings correct?



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29 May 2010, 11:02 am

I got 32. I can think about how it feels to mimic the expression which helps me guess correctly, or at least eliminate all the incorrect choices. A few I couldn't mimic but I still had some vague recollection of seeing the expression on television/film which helped me guess.

People's eyes are rarely that expressive in real life though. These were clearly people acting. In real life I pay more attention to tone of voice than eyes.



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29 May 2010, 12:54 pm

Lazenca_x wrote:
I don't understand something. I got 28. In real life, when I encounter these types of facial gestures, I usually ask how that person is feeling and they will say the opposite of what I thought they were thinking. Does this mean they are lying to me? Are my gut feelings correct?


People don't always tell the truth so you could be better at recognizing emotions than you realize. A lot of these were difficult for me because the emotion conveyed in the eyes didn't make sense and I couldn't gauge what was going on with the rest of their faces.

I got a 22.



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29 May 2010, 4:28 pm

I showed the test to a person who is not autistic at all to get his opinions on it. He scored a 21 and this is what he had to say about the test.

This thing is really poorly designed.

The photography is really bad and low-quality. It's an artificial test because no one looks at other people through some slit-window prison cell that only shows their eyes out of context with anything else. There is no social interaction. It's black and white so you can't see important color cues like if someone's skin is flushing.

When you're trying to determine emotions in someone you don't know, you look at all the cues: a combination of expression, posture, movement, breathing, coloration. Even if they're not talking to you, all that little stuff adds up to make a decision. I picked the best match for the pictures but there's really not enough data to tell what emotions these people are expressing.

Each of these questions should be on their own page because it turns into a blur like this. Plus the question above will influence the question below. Like if there is one really interesting, dynamic pair of eyes between two dull and boring pairs of eyes it will influence how people answer. The whole test is just meaningless to me. I believe some are even the same photo of the same person very slightly adjusted mechanically.

Some of them didn't have any options that even remotely matched what the eyes were really doing. For example, there's one that the testers are insisting indicates "cautious" but it has the eyes mostly open, looking directly at something, etc. and I interpret it as "friendly" if I'm going to pick a generic emotion to correlate. There's no hostility or suspicion or caution present in that picture at all.

Overall, it's just a really poor test and I don't see how it's going to tell a researcher anything meaningful about a person at all unless the real test to it is to see if a person interprets them all as a certain trend, for example all of them hostile and unfriendly. But that is a test of someone's psychological state, not their neurological status.


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29 May 2010, 4:49 pm

I got 33. This test wasn't very good. My gut reactions, as someone said, were not available. So I had to choose the "best fit".
And Sparrowrose's NT friend was definitely right that they are obviously acting.



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29 May 2010, 5:14 pm

Sparrowrose wrote:
I showed the test to a person who is not autistic at all to get his opinions on it. He scored a 21 and this is what he had to say about the test.

This thing is really poorly designed.

The photography is really bad and low-quality. It's an artificial test because no one looks at other people through some slit-window prison cell that only shows their eyes out of context with anything else. There is no social interaction. It's black and white so you can't see important color cues like if someone's skin is flushing.

When you're trying to determine emotions in someone you don't know, you look at all the cues: a combination of expression, posture, movement, breathing, coloration. Even if they're not talking to you, all that little stuff adds up to make a decision. I picked the best match for the pictures but there's really not enough data to tell what emotions these people are expressing.

Each of these questions should be on their own page because it turns into a blur like this. Plus the question above will influence the question below. Like if there is one really interesting, dynamic pair of eyes between two dull and boring pairs of eyes it will influence how people answer. The whole test is just meaningless to me. I believe some are even the same photo of the same person very slightly adjusted mechanically.

Some of them didn't have any options that even remotely matched what the eyes were really doing. For example, there's one that the testers are insisting indicates "cautious" but it has the eyes mostly open, looking directly at something, etc. and I interpret it as "friendly" if I'm going to pick a generic emotion to correlate. There's no hostility or suspicion or caution present in that picture at all.

Overall, it's just a really poor test and I don't see how it's going to tell a researcher anything meaningful about a person at all unless the real test to it is to see if a person interprets them all as a certain trend, for example all of them hostile and unfriendly. But that is a test of someone's psychological state, not their neurological status.


I've read the actual study that this test was adapted from. It turns out they had a sample of 50 people with AS/HFA and 50 NTs. On AVERAGE the NT group scored like 4 points higher, but if you looked at the data lots of people in the AS/HFA group scored higher than lots of people in the NT group. In other words not being able to read eyes is not something that all autistic people have in common.



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29 May 2010, 5:18 pm

I got a 24.


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29 May 2010, 5:21 pm

marshall wrote:
I've read the actual study that this test was adapted from. It turns out they had a sample of 50 people with AS/HFA and 50 NTs. On AVERAGE the NT group scored like 4 points higher, but if you looked at the data lots of people in the AS/HFA group scored higher than lots of people in the NT group. In other words not being able to read eyes is not something that all autistic people have in common.


The study is flawed. With poor photographs and descriptors, a multiple choice test is little more than guesswork. All the test showed is that AS/HFA and NT are on equal footing when it comes to guessing on a poorly executed exam.

I'd have to run the math to be certain, but I'm pretty sure that 4 is not statistically significant when n=100 and the test only has 30 questions.


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