Hating babies & children
I don't know . . . I was told by a couple of different "friends with benefits" I'd been with before and then after that I was tighter afterwards. I did have a couple of stitches because I tore (10 pounds, 12 ounces is a BIG baby) and maybe the doctor took an extra stitch or two for good measure? No idea.
I also did a bunch of funky exercises afterwards that might have accounted for increased tightness as well. No idea. But neither was the type to lie and one of them in particular had often told me unflattering things about myself because he's super honest so I'm pretty sure I actually was tighter after than before.
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I find it funny that we're told children are innocent, when they're actually the complete opposite. After all, a child dosen't know any of society's rules at all, a child could murder someone and not care.
There was a recent case when two ten year olds raped an eight year old girl, and a case a few years ago where two ten year olds abducted a younger boy and, in words of Wikipedia, "one of the boys threw blue Humbrol modelling paint into Bulger's left eye.[9] They kicked him and hit him with bricks, stones and a 22-pound (10.0 kg) iron bar, described in court as a railway fishplate.[19][20][21] They placed batteries in his mouth.[22] Bulger suffered ten skull fractures as a result of the iron bar striking his head. Alan Williams, the case's pathologist, speculated that Bulger suffered so many injuries that none could be isolated as the fatal blow.[23] Police suspected that there was a sexual element to the crime, since Bulger's shoes, stockings, trousers and underpants had been removed. [...] Before they left him, the boys laid Bulger across the railway tracks and weighted his head down with rubble, in the hope that a train would hit him and make his death appear to be an accident. After Bulger's killers left the scene, his body was cut in half by a train.[26]"
So, maybe the OP's reaction is healthy...
So, how did you feel about yourself when you were a child?
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I don't like children, I could probably say that I hate babies. There's something grotesque about them that I can't place, when they're "clean" or when they're covered in food they're just foul. I can't think of one thing I like about those beasts.
As for that person who said people who don't like children shouldn't be let near small animals, that's just stupid. I could never consider harming an animal, I pick insects up in tissues and put them outside so that they're not stepped on. I've never considered burning ants with a maginifying glass or torturing a mouse to see what it does. They have nothing to do with each other.
There was a recent case when two ten year olds raped an eight year old girl, and a case a few years ago where two ten year olds abducted a younger boy and, in words of Wikipedia, "one of the boys threw blue Humbrol modelling paint into Bulger's left eye.[9] They kicked him and hit him with bricks, stones and a 22-pound (10.0 kg) iron bar, described in court as a railway fishplate.[19][20][21] They placed batteries in his mouth.[22] Bulger suffered ten skull fractures as a result of the iron bar striking his head. Alan Williams, the case's pathologist, speculated that Bulger suffered so many injuries that none could be isolated as the fatal blow.[23] Police suspected that there was a sexual element to the crime, since Bulger's shoes, stockings, trousers and underpants had been removed. [...] Before they left him, the boys laid Bulger across the railway tracks and weighted his head down with rubble, in the hope that a train would hit him and make his death appear to be an accident. After Bulger's killers left the scene, his body was cut in half by a train.[26]"
So, maybe the OP's reaction is healthy...
I never bought into children being innocent. It's the complete opposite, they're dominated by selfishness (or "Id".) It's a survival mechanism, because if they aren't they wont live, but that doesn't change it. That's just one of many examples of child cruelty and malice.
Dito, I don't think I would want the OP anywhere near a child, or any small animal for that mater.
Why small animals? It's one thing to have violent impulses that you don't act on and anothe to actually be a violent person. And animals are TOTALLY different from babies. I''m not terribly fond of babies myself (children don't start to get interesting to me at all until they're about five) but I LOVE small animals.
well yes maybe that was going to far, but hearing her go on about staring a baby down is rather disturbing, it was just an observation that I wouldn't want someone like the OP in any position of responsibility such as around children or otherwise
I don't feel violent (my only violent feelings are usually taking things out on myself in meltdown - punching myself, slamming hands, pulling my hair etc - never to others)
But, I do have the STRONG dislike of children & babies.
I *really* dislike the love of babies - all the fawning over them.
I see shows about pregnancy and it always feels like dumb people are in love with the idea of having children.
I never wanted children and can't imagine why anybody would.
I am 44 M and NEVER wanted kids (ever since I was young)
I was never bullied I just don't like kids - I find them rude and annoying. Babies just aren't cute.
Pregnant women bother me.
It sounds like you are resentful or jealous of how children or babies get treated,
No. Completely, 100% incorrect.
I despise these type of assertions/judgments.
Do you have things that "irrationally" give you a bad reaction?
Let's say "bright light" -
Would I say "oh, you are jealous of light?" or "you must have had a bad experience w bright light"
I have never been jealous of anyone in my entire life.
I read a few posts later that you wanted kids and had some miscarriages.
I guess that is the difference.
I have never wanted kids & never cared for kids even when I was a kid.
I was never bullied so don't suggest I don't like them because I was a victim either.
People who are in the baby cult seem so angry and accusatory about people who find them to be a nuisance.
Some people just genuinely dislike the whole thing and have no interest in it.
If I am in public alone - a non baby entity - I cannot bother you for being babyless. There is nothing there to be bothered with.
But baby people and screaming , unruly kids DO impose on other people.
Public crying - movies, planes, stores etc
Same w kids.
They are also adding to the already existing over population.
I find the whole thing distasteful.
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Yup, very true, especially since the concept of "morals" is set by our environment, and children don't know anything about them yet.
I personally don't hate children, but I do hate society's attitude towards them. I hate how they can get away with murder (literally in some cases, if you're under ten you can't be arrested) because "they're just kids, they don't know better" - well TEACH THEM BETTER THEN! TELL THEM OFF WHEN THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG SO THEY STOP!
Seriously, that attitude is utterly stupid IMO.
I suspect part of that is that babies and small children are a HUGE responsibility and a lot of work and parents, especially primary caretakers, almost never get a break from the noise, the mess, the need to always be thinking about where someone else is and what they are doing. It is natural for parents of young children to have occasional feelings of resentment about their burden and envy of those who don't have children and are able to spend more of their money on their own needs and wants and able to have quiet breaks away from the world, spend an hour in a the bath if they want, etc.
So when someone says they don't like children or find them irritating, it stirs up a lot of guilt in parents who often find their own children irritating as well but feel like they aren't allowed to ever admit that. The anger and accusations that get directed at the "childfree by choice" people is raelly just a reflection of the frustration and exhaustion that comes from being a parent.
Or so I have long suspected.
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hi Sparrow.
Never thought of that, but certainly makes sense.
I don't begrudge anyone for wanting/having kids, I just can't understand it.
Mainly for the reasons you list.
I am far too self involved to be a good parent.
Kids are "ok" in small doses if they are well behaved, but I don't enjoy them or want to be around them.
I don't feel a need to play with them or look at them. People coo and fawn over babies. Mostly women I think.
It's just not part of my world.
I am actually somewhat surprised that anyone here would want/could handle having kids.
Seems in congruent to me.
edit - to be clear. I don't "hate" babies or kids. I just don't have an interest in them.
The only time I do dislike them is when they invade my space w noise and jumping around.
And I will say this - kids today are completely out of control compared to when I was a kid.
Also, kids are so overly coddled today. Bike helmets, seat belt laws, all these medications, hip clothes, TV, video games, ipods blah blah blah - it's gross.
Not to sound like an old man, but when I was a kid we just played outside or inside (like me) and did what we were told and were not made to be little stars of the world.
That whole kid-centric culture is gross AND seeing these 16 yo girls on MTV who just HAVE to be mothers is depressing.
People like that procreate exponentially more than people with education & income.
This country is going down the tubes fast.
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That is definitely a difficult thing!
I like (many, not all) 5-9 year old girls because they are playing at a level I understand and enjoy. I have gotten "in trouble" before because I was more interested in playing with someone's child than sitting and talking with them and the adults felt slighted or snubbed that playing in the sandbox or whatever was more interesting than their conversation. Problem is, playing in the sandbox *is* more interesting to me than most adult conversations.
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I don't like children, because they're loud, stinky and dirty.
Babies stink like hot milk mixed with poo and they are like autoalarm 24/7 on.
Kids don't come to me, they probably find me boring and not interesting. I'm the last person to be a babysitter.
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Words can't describe how much I abhor babies and children. I don't get what the attraction with them is. They are loud and annoying, and you can't understand anything they say. I NEVER want to have children. *shudder* My #1 pet peeve and my top sensory issue after being wet is crying babies/children. I, like PunkyKat, have hated children my whole life, even when I was a child.
But like IdahoRose, I have always been fascinated with pregnancy/childbirth. I wanted to be an obstetrician when I was 4. Pregnancy was one of my biggest preschool-age special interests. I, too, just find the biology fascinating. I watch birth shows on Discovery Health all the time.
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I do think most newborns look pretty awful...I've never understood why people want to pass around "baby's first picture." Most babies look like some kind of alien, even if the conehead is hidden! The only cute picture of a newborn I've ever seen is my friend's daughter, who looked about 3 months old at birth. No conehead, and instead of being red and purple and wrinkly, she was pink and plump! (So, as you can tell, by the time a baby hits 3 months, I think they are cute.)
I love babies and children -- as long as they aren't mine. As a tutor, I spend a great deal of time with other people's children, and that's exactly what I want. I'm childfree (to me, that implies a choice, as opposed to childless -- people who want kids but don't have any) and happy this way. I like my life as it is. I enjoy playing with my nephews on the all-too-rare chances I get to see them, but I think I'd feel trapped if I had to care for them full-time. I like being able to give "my kids" (aka students) back after a couple hours!
Apparently I'm an unusual case. I have childfree friends. They all say the same -- they don't like babies or kids. And none of my friends -- those with kids, those who want kids, and those who don't -- can understand why I'm crazy about babies and kids (especially middle-schoolers) but absolutely, positively don't want any of my own. No drive to breed, here. My biological clock is set to dog.
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I don't understand why people would hate babies and children, well children I can half understand but babies? What's so extremely unlikable about babies? I just don't see it. Sure they cry a lot and have tantrums in their terrible 2's, but so what.
I personally can't wait to have kids when I'm older.
A lot of you say "eew no I don't want kids ew ew they are horrible things!" but if you ever fell pregnant you would still love him/her, because you would have bonded with them when they were born and that's that. You might hate other kids but you wouldn't hate your own, unless you really are serious about hating ALL BABIES AND CHILDREN, then that would just be weird.
Also I've noticed some complaining about the baby smell, newborns smell lovely :3
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Yes, this is true, they do look like aliens. But they're cute once the crap has been wiped off.
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