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06 Jun 2010, 6:35 pm

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There's another one on YouTube I can't remember the name of, but it was painful to watch because the boy (who was about the same age as the boy in My Crazy Life) was quick to anger and was shown verbally abusing his mother. The boy had a short fuse and when they showed clips of him at a very young age, dropping a pancake on the floor, it was evident that his short temper and tendency to blame others had always been there.


Found it. It's called "Jack" (find it by searching on "Asperger's Syndrome Jack")

Here's part 1:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhxuV1qBlfo&feature=related[/youtube]


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06 Jun 2010, 7:14 pm

I just never understand the tendency toward violence and rebeliousness in many of the subjects of these videos. When I was growing up, I was very well-behaved to the point that THAT was probably unusual. I did very well with following rules and I was never disruptive in school; I was very quiet and kept to myself. In fact, I always thought that the other children, who I now know as NTs, were far more disruptive than I could ever be.

I'm not sure if the bad behaviour is emphasized in videos to highlight the difference or if such behavior is more the norm... or if I'm just higher on the spectrum. I did ask my doctor about it when I got my diagnosis said he that Asperger's children could easily fall into either extreme; some handle authority and order well and other don't. :roll: ... dunno...


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06 Jun 2010, 7:24 pm

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I watched all the parts of the documentary too (I kind of have a documentary obsession as of late...I love to watch them on netflix). I agree that it was quite depressing.


The most depressing documentary I've seen lately (it's available on Netflix for rental and as a watch-it-now) is "Her Name is Sabine." The filmmaker documents the current conditions of her autistic sister's life in a French group home. At first you think you're watching a documentary about a fairly severely impacted autistic woman but as the documentary goes on and the filmmaker starts showing older family movies, you begin to realize that Sabine used to be far more high-functioning (sorry for the functioning terms. I don't like them but I haven't developed better language yet.)

Sabine was either HFA or strongly Asperger's as a young girl and the final blow is when the filmmaker reveals that what changed her was a stay in an institution where she was given lots of neuroleptic drugs that destroyed her. The filmmaker is filled with guilt and anguish and wants to help Sabine but fears the damage is permanent. There was one scene near the end when the filmmakers showed Sabine the home movies of the time Sabine took a trip to America and Sabine starts crying and I started crying and Sabine's sister says she'll stop the film if it's too much to bear and Sabine says, "no. don't stop it. I'm crying because I'm so happy" and asks to see the film again.

It is really a heartbreaking documentary and one I think anyone who is considering putting an autistic person on a neuroleptic should watch before they decide. Probably some autistics do benefit from neuroleptic drugs but they are so very dangerous for us and can do exactly what is shown in the film about Sabine.


I did see that...it was that documentary and a huge outcry from the Autistic community in France that made them change the way look at and manage Autism and Asperger's now. Im thankful as that is where we are moving. We already have the French cards for my kids and we have found out about the schools and the services for our kids. Everything sounds great but Ill have to let you know how things play out.



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06 Jun 2010, 7:31 pm

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There's another one on YouTube I can't remember the name of, but it was painful to watch because the boy (who was about the same age as the boy in My Crazy Life) was quick to anger and was shown verbally abusing his mother. The boy had a short fuse and when they showed clips of him at a very young age, dropping a pancake on the floor, it was evident that his short temper and tendency to blame others had always been there.


Found it. It's called "Jack" (find it by searching on "Asperger's Syndrome Jack")

Here's part 1:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhxuV1qBlfo&feature=related[/youtube]


I saw that Documentary as well and I think it is mainly the Mothers fault that he is so nasty. She just allowed him to treat her that way. My son is 7 and if he tries to talk that way to me and I flat out tell him that I am his Mother and he does not speak to me that way. I dont disrespect him that way and he should not me. This kids Mother just seems to accept that he disrespects her and is very submissive to him. If I acted like that my son would still hit me....this is also not acceptable. Just because they have AS or Autism is not an excuse for being abusive. He knows what hes doing and he does it because she allows it. A meltdown is one thing but he is just ill mannered and disrespectful.



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06 Jun 2010, 7:40 pm

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There's another one on YouTube I can't remember the name of, but it was painful to watch because the boy (who was about the same age as the boy in My Crazy Life) was quick to anger and was shown verbally abusing his mother. The boy had a short fuse and when they showed clips of him at a very young age, dropping a pancake on the floor, it was evident that his short temper and tendency to blame others had always been there.


Found it. It's called "Jack" (find it by searching on "Asperger's Syndrome Jack")

Here's part 1:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhxuV1qBlfo&feature=related[/youtube]


I have short fuse and can be abusive sometimes but that kid actually makes me feel much better about myself. I was never THAT bad. I felt so bad for his mom. It seems like he has something else besides AS. Antisocial Personality Disorder or something.



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06 Jun 2010, 9:31 pm

There is a difference between getting angry and threatening someone with violence. The thing that bothered me about it was that the Mother never said a word to him....possibly because she was scared of him??? I dont know. We have a saying around our house "thats not ok" and that was "not ok". This is the type of thing that people see and think, "Oh, people with Asperger's are abusive jerks".



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07 Jun 2010, 12:45 am

liloleme wrote:
There is a difference between getting angry and threatening someone with violence. The thing that bothered me about it was that the Mother never said a word to him....possibly because she was scared of him??? I dont know. We have a saying around our house "thats not ok" and that was "not ok". This is the type of thing that people see and think, "Oh, people with Asperger's are abusive jerks".


I was figuring that she didn't say anything when he got that way because maybe in the past she had tried to say something and he *did* crack her in the jaw as a result. I got the feeling like she was half-angry with him and half-frightened of him. Thing is, you can't just let that kind of behavior go unchecked because it is very likely that one day it will land Jack in jail. Or worse.


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07 Jun 2010, 2:35 am

Normal people living in long-term institutional settings actually start to display autistic behaviour: motor mannerisms, the desire for routine, and the blunting of emotional affect being some noticeable ones.

So, an individual with an ASD will be even more autistic there....

Of note though, quite a few people with AD (HFA/LFA) can "regress" in the early adult years (lose abilities and start to appear like they were as children); they don't know why* this happens.

*I'm betting an immune response to something, perhaps the changes of puberty (the increase of hormones)



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07 Jun 2010, 2:55 pm

Todesking had started a thread on "giggling upon the reception of bad news".

Well this giggling here would wrapped that thread up pretty well, as the mechanism is the same.

This is a mirror image of my laughter and I have a short fuse as well ,but the difference is I dont inflict it on others.

I have to mask this giggling , as someone once asked me if I was on drugs. :lol:



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07 Jun 2010, 5:09 pm

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I have to mask this giggling , as someone once asked me if I was on drugs. :lol:


I've been asked many times if I were on drugs when I wasn't. Strange thing is that people didn't ask me if I was on drugs when I actually was! Only when I'm not and am just "being myself" naturally.


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07 Jun 2010, 8:13 pm

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I have to mask this giggling , as someone once asked me if I was on drugs. :lol:


I've been asked many times if I were on drugs when I wasn't. Strange thing is that people didn't ask me if I was on drugs when I actually was! Only when I'm not and am just "being myself" naturally.


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Eureka Sparrow , you found the cure ,and wow, just think it was under our nose all this time :lol:



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07 Jun 2010, 9:24 pm

Mdyar wrote:
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I have to mask this giggling , as someone once asked me if I was on drugs. :lol:


I've been asked many times if I were on drugs when I wasn't. Strange thing is that people didn't ask me if I was on drugs when I actually was! Only when I'm not and am just "being myself" naturally.


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Eureka Sparrow , you found the cure ,and wow, just think it was under our nose all this time :lol:


LOL! I wish!

I could identify with Ben X when his classmates made him take XTC and then he was high and told his mother, "I'm cured! I'm cured!" I could SO identify with that. Too bad XTC slowly kills by drying up your spinal fluid. Oh, and it's kind of hard to hold down a job while tripping on XTC. But it does kind of *feel* like being "cured."


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08 Jun 2010, 11:38 am

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How about Dexter?


Dexter has ASPD:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspd

To an uninitiated, it "looks the same", but Psychopats are VERY different. While Aspies are preyed upon, Psychopats usually do the preying-upon...

I would NEVER want to associate myself with such people. If you meet one IRL, you'll soon know why.


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02 Jul 2011, 3:36 pm

I found a cartoon someone made and posted on youtube, in it there's a character named cecilia who reads a lot of books and is seen as a nerd by one of the male characters until she mentions liking hip hop music.
When approached by the two male characters who have a crush on her and are fighting over her, all she talks about is spiders.

i think the creator of this video made the character of ceceilia stereotypically Aspie without realizing it. anyway here is the vid.[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu4vh_AI6lA&feature=related[/youtube]



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02 Jul 2011, 6:55 pm

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I just never understand the tendency toward violence and rebeliousness in many of the subjects of these videos. When I was growing up, I was very well-behaved to the point that THAT was probably unusual. I did very well with following rules and I was never disruptive in school; I was very quiet and kept to myself. In fact, I always thought that the other children, who I now know as NTs, were far more disruptive than I could ever be.

I'm not sure if the bad behaviour is emphasized in videos to highlight the difference or if such behavior is more the norm... or if I'm just higher on the spectrum. I did ask my doctor about it when I got my diagnosis said he that Asperger's children could easily fall into either extreme; some handle authority and order well and other don't. :roll: ... dunno...


This. My younger brother has ADHD and my sister has ADD. Getting them through the early years of school was a nightmare. My brother nearly got kicked out of Pre-K because of "disruptive" behavior and both had near-constant notes home from school about their behavior. And even today, both of them have difficulty controlling their anger. They're frequently prone to outbursts. My sister yells and threatens with violence (no hitting yet, we've got a zero-tolerance policy in our house) and my brother frequently runs screaming and crying to his room when asked to do something simple like pick up his toys or get in the car.

I'm much more like you. The only times I ever got in trouble in school were for not turning in homework and I've got an iron grip on my temper. Violence is a huge no-no. I'm a die-hard pacifist and conflict-avoider.



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03 Jul 2011, 12:33 am

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Look up a documentary called 'Only Human-Make me normal', its about an All-Autistic school in london. I found it on youtube, heres part one, if you search 'only human-make me normal' on youtube you should find the other parts.


Very interesting documentary. Roy reminds me of myself when I used to methodically label VHS tapes of TV shows I liked. On the box cover I'd make a label with all the episodes in order they were recorded. I'd label each episode with the season, episode number, and title. I'd also make a little banner across the top of random scenes that appeared in the episodes I listed. :D

I found this documentary: 'Autistic Me' to be interesting. Here's part 1:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSxgCguPEaM[/youtube]
I noticed most of these documentaries are about autistic boys/men...wish there were more documentaries about autistic girls/women.