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06 Jun 2010, 11:18 pm

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Yes. I'm either "too quiet" and withdrawn or "rude." I can't win.

Just be yourself.

(just kidding)


lol. When people say that do they think i'll be like "oh my god, i never thought of that before! thank you for opening my eyes!" I'm already being myself, it just doesn't work out very well.



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07 Jun 2010, 4:02 am

Like many others here, I can never do anything right.

I either don't say anything and get told to speak up and talk to people or make my opinion clear, or say something so blatently stupid I get looked at like my opinion isn't wanted.



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07 Jun 2010, 5:26 am

I'm told this a lot by my mum no matter what I do, so I've given up even trying to figure out why now, I just think "yeah, whatever" and get on with my life.



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07 Jun 2010, 7:33 am

people call me "rude" but i do not see how i am "rude".

examples from just today:
today i think was perceived as rude on many occasions. i do not know the recipe for icing, so i omit to decorate my cakes with it.

when i got to an office block where i was going to install a new module i wrote over the weekend, there was someone in a car who was stopped at the entrance to the carpark talking to a person who was walking out of the carpark in the opposite direction.
i needed to go into the carpark so i tooted the horn, and she ignored me. then i pressed the horn and kept it on until the person in the car in front drove off to their car park space.
when i got to my car space and got out, the person in the other car got out and yelled at me. she said "you're a rude bastard!" she then went on to say something else which i failed to catch. i thought she was a selfish b***h, but i did not say it because i could see she was unstable in her anger, so i practiced restraint and walked into the building without acknowledging her. how dare she consider me to be rude, when it was her who was rude for getting in my way. she was clearly in the wrong and i let her get away with it, so i was anything but rude.

inside the building, after a while i went to the tea room and someone handed me a biscuit, and he said "these are so nice! you should try one".

i did not take the biscuit because he had handled it with his hand, and who knows where his fingers had been? i said i did not think i would like it so i declined, and he said "just try it" and i said "i can tell by the look of it that i would not like it so no thanks". he said "yeah whatever", he tossed the biscuit on the counter and walked out and he said "jeeezus", and i think he assumed i was being rude. if i had said "no thanks, i have no idea where your hands have been" then he would have been offended i guess, so i refrained from saying it. he may have scratched his testicles for all i know. i am not going to risk my health just to be accommodating to his gesture. anyway, i did include the word "thanks"in my reply to him, so i tried to be polite. he was a strange man so i do not care.

later in the day, i was in the supermarket, and there were 2 women with prams (strollers) heading in opposite directions who were stopped and chatting and blocking the aisle and i said "sorry could you get out of my way please?". one woman pushed her pram to the side and as i walked through the gap, they muttered something at me which sounded as if they were not happy with me. i think they thought i was rude.
but i said "sorry" and "please" in the one sentence that i uttered to them so they are crazy to assume i am being rude if they thought that. maybe they were simply unhappy that they were required to get out of my way. who knows.

later at a newsagent, i was buying some receipt books, and i commented to the counter person that the price had gone up from $3.50 to $9.00 and i asked why. she said it was because the old brand ran out of stock for a week and they had to get this new brand in to fill the stock hole, and that after a week, the price would come back down.

i said "ok", and while she was ringing up my purchase on the cash register, she started to talk about how her suppliers often ran out of stock, and that it affected her customers and shahahsiehrlkfjlj ( i lost interest so i did not understand her after i lost interest). and so i said " i am sorry i am not interested. can i please have the change?" and she gave me the change and she seemed offended.

i am sorry i was not interested, but it is of no use for her to continue to talk to me after i disengage because she is wasting her time. i did not listen to, or mentally compile her words after i lost interest, so i failed to understand, and it saved her from spending futile energy on me.

on the subject of change, most people in shops like to put change in customers hands, and they hold the change in the air hoping i will take the change with my hand.
but i just look at the change and i do not offer my hand to take it, and i wait for them to put it on the counter before i will take it.
apparently that is rude as well.

rudeness is in the mind of the beholder.



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07 Jun 2010, 9:15 am

If you've never been considered rude, egocentric or just plain weird by your peers without understanding why, there is no way you can have AS. It happened to all of us numerous times. It's part of what it means to have AS.

In time, things should improve, though. If you try enough, eventually you will figure out most social rules. Only the rules of dating and professional relationships I still find very hard to grasp, although I've improved significantly in those areas as well.

The problem with most people with AS is that they're very introverted and just don't try enough. It's far better to be considered an as*hole for 10 years and graduately learn to avoid it than to remain silent...



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07 Jun 2010, 9:27 am

Well I have noticed that just knowing that someone has "difficulties" doesn't make them any less annoying. I have a friend who irritates me to no end, and they display a lot of AS symptoms, but the idea that they may have AS doesn't make their behaviour any less annoying.

I feel a little hypocritical being annoyed at another potential aspie, but I don't know how to not be annoyed at them. They're ok in small doses though.

Also I think people aren't very sympathetic because they probably see that you're intelligent, so they think you should be intelligent enough to work out why you're being annoying. Of course, as we with AS know, intelligent and social skills are not the same thing, lots of stupid people have good social skills.



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07 Jun 2010, 9:47 am

Im told that often, i guess it comes with the package of AS, and when they ask why i just stare off and dont understand what i did wrong :)


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07 Jun 2010, 10:28 am

wblastyn wrote:
Well I have noticed that just knowing that someone has "difficulties" doesn't make them any less annoying. I have a friend who irritates me to no end, and they display a lot of AS symptoms, but the idea that they may have AS doesn't make their behaviour any less annoying.

I feel a little hypocritical being annoyed at another potential aspie, but I don't know how to not be annoyed at them. They're ok in small doses though.


This sounds familiar. An ex of mine had an 18-year-old Aspie brother and even though he reminded me a lot of myself when I was a teenager I found it hard not to be annoyed by him. It was very confronting...



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07 Jun 2010, 10:38 am

Yes, and my 8 year old son gets called a brat or some other bizarre term for a weird child. I've also been called weird or creepy when none of that is intended in the slightest. As we can see by the responses, this is a common problem and misconception by the general public toward us. They fail to understand that it's not intentional and we simply see the world in a different way. We percieve in a different way. The other side to that, is the general public has no way of knowing what they are dealing with on sight. There are too many variables and it gets tedious and is also unreasonable to go around saying "Hi, I have autism" to everyone you meet.

People who are willing to get to know us are rare and we should cherish them because they can become our ambassadors with the NT world and good friends are hard to find in the first place.


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07 Jun 2010, 10:38 am

Yes, and my 8 year old son gets called a brat or some other bizarre term for a weird child. I've also been called weird or creepy when none of that is intended in the slightest. As we can see by the responses, this is a common problem and misconception by the general public toward us. They fail to understand that it's not intentional and we simply see the world in a different way. We percieve in a different way. The other side to that, is the general public has no way of knowing what they are dealing with on sight. There are too many variables and it gets tedious and is also unreasonable to go around saying "Hi, I have autism" to everyone you meet.

People who are willing to get to know us are rare and we should cherish them because they can become our ambassadors with the NT world and good friends are hard to find in the first place.


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07 Jun 2010, 11:02 am

Where do I sign? YES! most definitely probably atleast once a week!! !!



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07 Jun 2010, 11:45 am

Salonfilosoof wrote:

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If you've never been considered rude, egocentric or just plain weird by your peers without understanding why, there is no way you can have AS. It happened to all of us numerous times. It's part of what it means to have AS.

In time, things should improve, though. If you try enough, eventually you will figure out most social rules. Only the rules of dating and professional relationships I still find very hard to grasp, although I've improved significantly in those areas as well.

The problem with most people with AS is that they're very introverted and just don't try enough. It's far better to be considered an as*hole for 10 years and graduately learn to avoid it than to remain silent...


Then YES...I would have AS in SPADES if that is the case!

I have gotten this a lot - in most cases NOT understanding WHY!! !! :oops:



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07 Jun 2010, 1:42 pm

Surreal wrote:
I have gotten this a lot - in most cases NOT understanding WHY!! !! :oops:


Practice, practice, practice. The more people you meet, the more conversations you have, the more you'll get to learn the rules of human interaction. It takes a very long time to get the hang of it, but if you analyse every single encounter that went wrong you should eventually learn to see the patterns and manage to adjust your behavior accordingly. Unfortunately there are no general rules that can be applied to all situations...



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08 Jun 2010, 10:36 am

It doesn't happen as much anymore because I have practiced and placed myself in situations where I can improve, but I do still have some troubles.



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08 Jun 2010, 10:48 am

antique_toy wrote:
yes, everyone thinks i'm one or a combination of the following things:
-arrogant
-self-centered
-aloof
-crazy
-annoying/immature
-paralytically shy

i've been rejected in almost every single friendship/relationship i've had with someone.


And yes...I've been called EVERY last ONE of those things. I have an aunt who was particularly fond of saying that I was NON-CHALANT.



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08 Jun 2010, 10:50 am

ColdBlooded wrote:
A big part of it, for me, is that people say i'm arguing when i just think i'm discussing, adding some information, or correcting something.


I get that too.