holding therapy!??
Warning: this can be painful to watch, despite the very hokey ending.
Elvis Presley and Mary Tyler Moore "cure" autism:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjdUt3G7Maw&feature=related[/youtube]
I wonder how many people watched this and tried it without any other research into its validity. I doubt that the makers of this film did any such research.
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Anyone remember this movie?[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRoUi673lz8&feature=related[/youtube]
I can't find the whole thing, but I remember at the end they did the same thing to that little girl. (As if she hadn't already suffered enough abuse in her life.)
"Hiding behind a wall of anger" ("A Change of Habit"). That is NOT what autism is!
I was hoping that little girl would kick Elvis in the face and bloody his nose.
This is sickening. I can't believe people still buy into this garbage.
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wow, just wow
Quotes from the professionals..
http://www.childrenintherapy.org/proponents/thomas.html
Somehow that doesn't sound comforting.
Seriously, all you're going to do is teach them that the (previously) trusted person is untrustworthy. If you do that with a parent or similar, that could be really, really bad.
Aside from the fact that personally, all I want during a meltdown is to escape. The only comforting thing someone could do for me during a meltdown would be to help me escape-- e.g., by telling me where the bathroom is, or handing me a book, or leaving the room or at least shutting up.
I think there are two issues here.
1. Unscrupulous, evil people who are willing to do this
2. An NT mindset that says that holding someone is comforting
#1 is the big problem, though, because an NT who's really trying will eventually learn to provide escape.
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Its not holding in a sensse to be comforting but holding in a full restraint. This isnt a case of trying to be nice. the therapy is desinged to make you feel angry and unsafe. Their whole point is to stress you out untill you break, and then tell you that the only escape is if you accept "comfort" from the mother. (and since the mother was the type of person to subject the child in the first place, its hardly ever comforting). Its more like when kidnapped and abused kids are trained to "love" their captors.
I know that Holding/restraining a child/person through a meltdown can be good for the person,(this is in small doses for a short period of time and in certian cases where the person may hurt him/herself if not restrained. But this is not the same as holding which is done for 3+5 hours at a time, and the participants are not being protected, they are being abused. all in the name of "normalcy"
Like most kids who were unfortunate enough to go through this horror, I do not know why they did it. All I realy know was that for some reason (possibly AS) I didint make eye conctact, shyed away from my adoptive mother (just her, I wasnt afraid of anyone else), and I aparently asked too many questions. I find all of it very confusing. I do not understand how anyone could treat a child like that. This Idea that it is up to the child to make their parents love them is the worst peice of BS Ive ever heard.
In short, I do not know If I was subjected to this type of "re training" because I have AS (the eye contact thing was a biggie) or If my AS symptoms were caused by my Tramatic experience. (stims, social anxiety, self harm, obsessions, exc..) Either way. I like me. I do not resent people. I am not a sociopath, and I have a wonderful life, 2 beautiful children, and a loving husband.
I only hope to educate, and warn, and identify with others about this scary "NT?" reaction to non "NT" type behavior. No, not all NT's are bad, but there are some people out there, that make their living out of destroying anything and anyone who doesnt fit thier Idea of Optimal.
I hope none of you are ever unlucky enough to meet one.
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If you want to see holding therapy at its worst, you have got to watch the 1967 film Warrendale . I saw it again last December, after more than forty years (when I first saw it in a high school drama class). I have provided some info on it below. It is available on DVD.
Roger Ebert wrote in 1969:
Warrendale was a center in Canada where emotionally disturbed children were brought to live in groups of 12, each with a trained staff of eight. A note at the beginning of the film emphasizes that these are not brain-damaged or ret*d children. They are of normal intelligence, but gravely disturbed.
The treatment at Warrendale was experimental, involving a maximum amount of physical contact as a direct way to express love and reassurance. The children were encouraged to release all their anger and aggression while being tightly held by two or three adult staff members. During these "holding sessions," they were told they were not responsible for anything they might do. They were being given a safe way to drain off the latent violence that seemed to be associated with their problems.
I am not competent to say whether this treatment was wise or effective, and the film does not make a special argument for it. Instead, King and his crew have acted entirely as observers, using portable, unobtrusive equipment to record some six weeks in the life on Warrendale. Like the best of cinema verite, "Warrendale" would rather show life than judge it.
A structure was given to the film almost accidentally when Warrendale's cook died unexpectedly. The news is broken to the children in a group meeting. Some of them appear indifferent ("She wasn't any relative of mine.") Others react hysterically, and the staff members hold one young girl while she sobs and cries at the top of her voice: "It's a lie! It's a lie!" Another of the young patients blames herself, and a staff worker calmly repeats over and over: "It's not your fault. You didn't cause Dorothy's death. It's not your fault."
In these scenes of sustained and heartbreaking emotion, we begin to understand the Warrendale experience. The children are victims of the same isolation and loneliness that plagues all men, and their early environments apparently did not provide them with socially approved ways of coping with these feelings. So they began to act strangely in order to call attention to themselves, and perhaps to attract help. Some became delinquents, others self-destructive (one young girl combs her hair violently and painfully, and a staff member says, "You don't have to hurt yourself. Your hair is beautiful").
Still other children developed enormous feelings of guilt, blaming themselves for almost anything. These are perhaps the most pathetic, and the Warrendale treatment encouraged them to release their fear and grief. In these scenes we see a human closeness that is often lacking from life, and almost always from the screen. This depth of emotion may embarrass some audiences, but it is the only way to deal honestly with material, of this importance.
("Warrendale" shared the 1967 Cannes Festival award with "Blow-Up," and was named the best documentary of the year by the National Society of Film Critics and the British Film Critics Society.)
As explosive today as when it was released thirty years ago, Warrendale is a masterpiece of cinéma vérité. Considered one the world's great modern documentaries, this internationally renowned film chronicles seven weeks in the lives of twelve emotionally disturbed children in the treatment centre of the same name.
"The most appalling and effecting film I have seen...If "Warrendale' is a film we can't bear to be with, who is at fault?"
New Statesman
Warrendale was both an experiment and a frontier in pioneering the now common practise of treating children in a family-like setting where they could feel safe to express their feelings. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, who commissioned the film in 1966, refused to air it. Although it was released theatrically to huge international acclaim, it was banned from television for thirty years until TVOntario screened it in early 1997. It attracted a deeply appreciative audience of record size.
"I count the sight of the desperate, screaming child, held so firmly but so peaceable by the grown-up, to be one of the most beautiful I have ever seen. The utter acceptingness of the arms that do the holding, this tangible assurance that in the throes of self-abandon the child is not abandoned, moved me as I have seldom been moved in the cinema. I felt very deeply that I was witnessing the act of love."
The Sunday Telegraph
As well as being a staple in film schools, Warrendale is enormously valuable to such professionals as social workers, psychiatrists, psychologists, sociologists and anyone interested in human behaviour.
"The negative reactions this film has stirred up in some quarters demonstrated the adult world's dread of the open expression of childhood distress and the anguish that lies behind delinquency and emotional illness. It goes some way towards explaining why so many of our approved schools and schools for maladjusted children frame themselves around a system of control and suppression which hides from the adult, and from the child himself, the shattering impact of inward confusion and panic and feelings in the raw. 'Warrendale' does not spare the adult. It shows what it feels like to hate and be hated."
The Observer
"...as an insight into the dark reaches of fear and resentment in the human spirit the film is profound. I cannot imagine anyone coming away from this work unimpressed and unenlightened"
The Sunday Times
"Mr. King presents the children not as deranged case-histories, but as people of sensitivity, personality and often a remarkable degree of charm. They are recognisable, and they show us graphically that the naughty child is often a very worried and frightened child. The most unexpected quality of this document on emotional disturbance however is the manner in which the children's catharsis communicates itself. The film reveals to us, more in the way of art than of a text-book, something of ourselves."
The Financial Times
"It is harrowing and horrifying - but compulsive. Blending into the community house like a fly on the wall, King and his cameraman capture startling emotional crises in the lives of the children."
Evening Standard
"They (the children) are not deranged, or horrifying to watch. Their attacks of grief, fear, rage and clamour for some impossible immortal intimacy seem only more naked and more terrible in degree than the ones that everyone knows...Allan King's perception of their hellish journeys is like the psychiatric workers' way of dealing with them: the film, which is without commentary, burns into their spirits and makes no judgements. It is a wonderful movie, extending a charity to aberration and distress like no other of its sort that I have ever seen."
Penelope Gilliatt, The New Yorker
Directed by
Allan King
Credited cast:
Martin Fischer .... Himself (Dr. Fischer)
Runtime: 100 min
Country: Canada
Language: English
Color: Black and White
Sound Mix: Mono
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What a comforting thread. Not for its subject, but for the consistent agreement that this crap is just plain sick.
What kind of perverted mind thinks up sick crap like this? It's not new to me, I've just never commented on it before.
Nice to see pretty much everyone in agreement on this sick practice.
The idiots that came up with this junk, and those who practice it all need to have their licenses permanently revoked, and they need to be placed in old style asylums themselves. Give them shock therapy in restraints for a while, then tell them how much they've improved.
Come to think of it, they just MAY improve from it!
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I couldnt agree more mr. X. Although I was hoping that it might bring some people out of the woodwork so to speak who have gone through AT, as much as the discussion itself. I'm sure I'm not the only one on WP who have gone through this, or knows someone who has. I'm happy to have posted what I have found, for It validates most of my own experience, and with knowledge, I am hoping that I can either put a stop to the practice or at least help those who have gone through it. ( The programing in AT is that all the abuse is your fault and its takes a tremendous effort to get past in order to talk about) I still have problems with feeling guilty when I talk about my experience. But I dont want to let that stop me from getting it out there, and maybe helping someone else.
I do have a very large question looming in the back of my head now....Do I have AS ? and was that why I was put through this as a child?
Or was I a normal child, who developed AS symptoms as a result of AT?
i been living in grouphome not too long time ago and yes they did used to restrain me when i had meltdowns lets just say i hope i have chance to get some payback from couple events i pity em if ill ever see em now all i need is some names to get paypack though net even company name because u can order various stuff from net to their bill
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I'm sorry to hear that Follow, having gone through a similar experience myself, I sympathise. I understand your rage as well.
but If you dont mind a bit of advice...try not to let it consume you. Vengence is sour, and once you have had your revenge, all you have left is yourself.
I dont mind being an ear if you wish to talk about it. you can message me if you dont want to talk openly. I am so sorry this happened to you.
Its amazing the damage that misguided and scared people can do.
Probably better if you can sue them instead of just getting petty revenge like that. Suing would actually give you a chance at keeping them from doing the same stuff to other people.
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