The term NT is really starting to bug me

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24 Jul 2010, 8:05 pm

"NT" label = "MT" (empty) label :P :!:


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24 Jul 2010, 8:08 pm

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It's pretty subjective....there's many non-autistic people with mentalm disorders who i'd hardly define as "neurotypical".


But people with mental disorders are neurotypical in the sense that they have a mental condition and not a neurological condition like autism.


I still think it is unfortunate to use the term NT (meaning non autistic) as a blanket term. Everyone who is neurotypical is not the same. When used to describe abuse to autistics, it implies that everyone, by definition, who is neurotypical is abusive to autistics.
Also. if it's a matter of wiring, how about ADHD, or someone who has synaesthesia but who isn't autistic? Sensory Integrative Disorder shows up in non autistics as well as CAPD, etc. They are all a matter of different wiring and not mental disorders.



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24 Jul 2010, 9:15 pm

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I know in the context of this forum, NT is supposed to mean "non Autistic" but it is used so frequently to describe anyone and everyone who was ever abusive or intolerant of people with ASD's that I think it has become unfair. There are so many threads started with a " Why are NT's so insert negative comment here" you'd think the world was divided into 1% autistics and 99% lumbering, ogreish nitwits. It just isn't so. So there. :shameonyou:


My thinking is, I don't dislike the term, I dislike how it's used. Either too widely -- for anyone not autistic, or anyone not diagnosable -- or too narrowly -- for people who are annoying that one doesn't understand.


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24 Jul 2010, 9:43 pm

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Yes, but NT's do these things. I don't see many people saying ALL NT's do.

Aspies do these things too, by reffering to these people simply as NT's the more easily influenced members of this forum might come under the false impression that ALL NT's do, in fact, behave this way.

Since when are a large percentage of autistics intolerant of autistics? This can't really be said about aspies, but it can be said about a lot of NT's.

I wasn't reffering to negative behaviour towards autistics, just negative behaviour in general. It also stands to reason that there will be more cases of non-autistics harrassing autistics than autistics harrassing autistics because there are simply more non-autistics. To say autistics never pick on eachother is completely unfounded and likely false.

I'm referring to the OP post, which is the main topic that states "everyone who was ever abusive or intolerant of people with ASD's". I doubt many autistics are going to be intolerant of or abusive to autistics simply for being autistic.



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24 Jul 2010, 10:20 pm

I agree with you, Aimless. I was just talking about that earlier today with superboyian.
I'm really uncomfortable with NT bashing; the initialism is so easily tossed around like an insult.


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24 Jul 2010, 10:39 pm

I don't use the word NT much anyways. If I want to make reference to those who have to be a bunch of asshats towards those of us on the spectrum, I just simple refer to them as asshats, idiots, dumb-f***s, a******s, morons, Ignorant twits, and the like. So far I haven't to my knowledge use the word NT to mean anything other than not on the spectrum.


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25 Jul 2010, 1:34 am

Don't like the label. Prefer Cognitively-Averse. Better describes the closed minded individual who demands emotional babysitting and won't adapt, thus being unable to communicate in harmony with anyone not like themselves.


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25 Jul 2010, 1:56 am

I am very bitter towards people who have given me hell all my life. I know it's illogical and that it's bad to have a heavy heart, but I just can't help it. Perhaps in time I can learn to forgive, but you guys can't expect peoples' prejudice to just go away.



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25 Jul 2010, 2:18 am

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It's pretty subjective....there's many non-autistic people with mentalm disorders who i'd hardly define as "neurotypical".


But people with mental disorders are neurotypical in the sense that they have a mental condition and not a neurological condition like autism.


Things like ADHD and Bipolar disorder have a neurological basis to them. non-autistic doesn't always equal neurotypical.

As for the term NT, I use it often to describe a group of people without neurological differences. I've never used it in a hateful manner. Why hate the term just because some people misuse them?


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25 Jul 2010, 4:53 am

Neurotype has nothing to do whether someone is a good person or not. There are douchy people of both the ASD and NT persuasion, and also great people of both type.


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25 Jul 2010, 6:07 am

Ferdinand wrote:
I am very bitter towards people who have given me hell all my life. I know it's illogical and that it's bad to have a heavy heart, but I just can't help it. Perhaps in time I can learn to forgive, but you guys can't expect peoples' prejudice to just go away.


OK, let's say that everyone who has ever given you hell has been NT. What about the people that have been a good part of your life? Have they always been autistic?



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25 Jul 2010, 6:20 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
As for the term NT, I use it often to describe a group of people without neurological differences. I've never used it in a hateful manner. Why hate the term just because some people misuse them?

That's how I use it - if I need to make that distinction, I already have a word out there that is in standard usage that I don't have to spend time defining it. Some people are hostile because of their experiences with the NTs they've encountered, changing the word isn't going to eliminate those feelings.



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25 Jul 2010, 12:36 pm

Celoneth wrote:
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As for the term NT, I use it often to describe a group of people without neurological differences. I've never used it in a hateful manner. Why hate the term just because some people misuse them?

That's how I use it - if I need to make that distinction, I already have a word out there that is in standard usage that I don't have to spend time defining it. Some people are hostile because of their experiences with the NTs they've encountered, changing the word isn't going to eliminate those feelings.


Exactly. If history has shown us anything, it's that if someone wants to insult an entire group of people and dehumanize them, they will.

Just look at the technical term for mental retardation. Now it's 'politically incorrect' because people started using it incorrectly to insult.


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25 Jul 2010, 12:48 pm

You're right. There's nothing inherently wrong with the term. I'm more bugged about it's overuse and misuse. I should have thought it through before I made the thread.



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25 Jul 2010, 12:49 pm

Don't worry about it, Aimless. We all have illogical moments where we misplace blame. :-)


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25 Jul 2010, 12:52 pm

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Don't worry about it, Aimless. We all have illogical moments where we misplace blame. :-)


That's OK, logic is not my forte, I freely admit it. :) I'm seriously spaced out much of the time. Sometimes I can't see a better way to do something until I've already done it the wrong way. I get there, but in a roundabout way.