Any Aspies here disassociate themselves from Aspergers?

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28 Jul 2010, 4:39 pm

Just because a person is NT does not mean that they lack compassion!



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28 Jul 2010, 4:39 pm

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Its a rhetorical question, I could personally not care less, just think you might have a different experience if you actually had to function socially over the long term in the workplace. Pretending to be like everybody else for short periods in a social setting is a piece of cake, and your life doesn't depend on it. Let's see you pass for neurotypical day after day for months on end in a Machiavellian group, knowing you'll starve and become homeless if you fail. Its a whole different game when you're playin' for money.


I know instinctively I could never survive that in a workplace situation, socially I am continually getting screwed by users and manipulators. Anyway, I don't know if the OP is truly not autistic or in grand denial. I remember a thread a while back where people were posting about how they fought so hard to "have it all" the NT way and subsequently suffered a massive breakdown and loss of acquired skills.



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28 Jul 2010, 7:06 pm

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Why can't you attribute any of your good qualities to AS? You're over it because you're a functional human being now?


lol...I r not even going to try and make sense of this.

You just broke my heart, bro.



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28 Jul 2010, 7:53 pm

Because I'm so set in my ways, that isn't something that I have planned for me, any time soon. If that's what you want for yourself, than go for it. Whatever rocks your boat.


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29 Jul 2010, 12:28 am

I guess the reason I'm ashamed is because most of the people with Aspergers I've met in real life, with few exceptions, seem really, really lost, almost like mild-retardation of sorts. You could argue "These people have other things on top of Aspergers" but the world sees people like them and assumes that's what Aspergers is, and not like a lot of the people here on the site are...articulate, coherent, and high-functioning. (And yes, these people I've met were at the local Asperger Association as well as a distant relative that is supposed to have Aspergers.) They seem like borderline ret*d, and I guess while I don't want to be some typical NT person, I don't want anyone to think of me as being that lost when I'm not.

If I were dating a girl for a while and she noticed the quirks and it just put a label to it, then fine...but I don't need people other than family to know, because I want to avoid the stereotype.



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29 Jul 2010, 12:29 am

I'm sorry, no. Don't you dare call anyone borderline ret*d because they have AS. You can't do that. Get out.



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29 Jul 2010, 12:34 am

you're disowning us 8O ?

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29 Jul 2010, 12:39 am

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I don't want anyone to think of me as being that lost when I'm not.

You're such a tool. Why are you even here if you aren't "lost," as you phrased it? You're on the right planet, all right. You fit in perfectly. You're just like them. Why don't you go away if you're so perfect and together? Goodness. You go and meet people with AS and then look down on them? What a cool guy.


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29 Jul 2010, 12:55 am

These people I met barely knew what planet they're on...which leads me to believe, like I said, that they are misdiagnosed or like I said have more problems on top of the Aspergers. I am not saying they are representative of all Aspies. Sorry for the confusion.



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29 Jul 2010, 2:19 am

I do not understand, forever young. Aspergers is a developmental disorder that stays with you for life. How can you become more like an NT? Maybe you did not have the disorder in the first place.



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29 Jul 2010, 3:05 am

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I seemed to have become more NT, not in the bad ways that are criticized on this board...but more like "Ok there's nothing wrong with him." Years ago, looking at me due to body language and mannerisms, you could tell there was some sort of social drawback. Now, other than in the company of immature teens/early 20 something or at someplace like a bar or club, where people have really high Social IQs and can spot minute differences because they're looking for them, I feel for all intents and purposes, I fit in.

Because of that, I've wanted to disassociate myself from Aspergers. I have it, but it's not what's holding me back. I have severe ADD symptoms (never diagnosed with ADD) but I can't concentrate on anything, especially if I have no interest in it. The prospect of "making a paycheck" doesn't motivate me because even if at worst something happened to my parents, a family member would take me in, and even if that didn't happen, I have no problem living in a group home. So my problem is apathy in things I don't like and inability to "fake it" and concentrate...along with the Aspie trait of lacking common sense in executive functioning situations, which is probably why I never did well in math or science in school.

Other than that, it's no longer obvious to anyone who isn't looking for differences in people that there's a problem, and frankly I don't want to be associated with a condition that is known for things like Rain Man and Jenny McCarthy and people obsessed with sci-fi and video games and weird topics.

It's almost like, the past few months, other than being on this site, I don't even think of myself as an Aspie. I just think of myself with someone with sub-par social skills that's gradually learning how to overcome it to the best of his ability.


I think everyone has misunderstood the OP. I think he meant he has learned to adapt, fake it to appear more normal, you know something lot of us do. He didn't claim he doesn't have it anymore, he said he still does but doesn't want to see himself as it. He also thinks it's not his main issue and it's his ADD that is his main impairment that is impairing him the most.

Lot of us don't see ourselves as being disabled nor having a disability but we still have a disbility regardless of how we feel about ourselves. My husband has bad feet so he isn't considered able bodied (that's what psychically disabled people call people who aren't psychically disabled) but he doesn't see himself as being disabled because he can walk, he can run, he works full time even though it causes him to be in pain but he is still not able bodied. But when he gets home, his feet hurt so bad he is unable to go right to bed so he is up till about 5 in the morning and the fact he doesn't do much at home because he needs to stay off his feet as much as possible so they won't hurt so bad at work it keeps him from working. But on the weekends he is more active. Same as when he is on vacation because his feet don't hurt as much.

So even if someone doesn't feel like an aspie, they still have it. Even if they don't see themselves as having it, they still have it.



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29 Jul 2010, 3:23 am

Oh dear me. Heaven forbid that anyone should think that Asperger's is a disability.
I don't dissociate myself from it, because I don't believe that disability
A. Is shameful
B. Makes me a bad person
C. Means that I'm an idiot and completely incompetent

and I don't associate with people who do.


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29 Jul 2010, 8:30 am

foreveryoung wrote:
These people I met barely knew what planet they're on...which leads me to believe, like I said, that they are misdiagnosed or like I said have more problems on top of the Aspergers. I am not saying they are representative of all Aspies. Sorry for the confusion.


You haven't met anyone here. While I don't think I'm all that weird in person, I come across completely differently in writing. I'd wager most people here feel more comfortable and intelligent communicating with written words than spoken words. Just because someone seemed lost or on another planet in person doesn't mean they aren't actually intelligent. I've met a lot of strange people in my past that I tried to stay away from, and lately I find myself wondering if I shouldn't have written them off. Maybe they'd make more sense to me if I'd gotten to know them. How you present yourself in person doesn't necessarily reflect what's on your mind.



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29 Jul 2010, 9:57 am

League_Girl wrote:

I think everyone has misunderstood the OP. I think he meant he has learned to adapt, fake it to appear more normal, you know something lot of us do. He didn't claim he doesn't have it anymore, he said he still does but doesn't want to see himself as it. He also thinks it's not his main issue and it's his ADD that is his main impairment that is impairing him the most.



Yes, she said in better language what I didn't say.



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29 Jul 2010, 4:35 pm

Thanks for clarifying that about forever young. Its just that I take statements made by people VERY LITERALLY. It is a problem for me.



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10 Aug 2010, 1:04 pm

I was diagnosed at 8, but I've found that as I got older I've shown symptoms of Dyspraxia, and I was debating to myself whether I should go up the doctors again and get diagnosed with something what might be half Aspergers and half Dyspraxia - if there is such a thing. I'm somewhere on the Autism spectrum because I have high anxieties, mood swings, sensitivity to loud noise, upset at change, and other little problems like that.
But there are a few AS symptoms what does NOT show when it comes to social and communication techniques - therefore it makes people in the workplace think there is nothing wrong with me. The only thing I have shown was my high anxieties - but having high anxiety can be a seperate condition altogether. It doesn't make anyone think, ''oh, she gets nervous about lots of things - so she must have AS.'' No - that is not what they think. If I turned around and told all my collegues that I officially have AS, they will all look at me as if I've gone mad or something. I keep on thinking I might get into trouble if I suddenly told everyone I had it, because I act so normal they might think I'm trying to pretend I've got things just to get me out of doing much work or something.
Anyway - let's cut to the chase here. I'm not being sexist, but I think females can hide AS more so than males can. So it's because I'm female is why I have more AS symptoms in other areas than the social area. I seem to have AS on the inside, more than on the outside. Let me tell you what I mean:-
When, say, I'm sitting on the bus and there's a kid screaming it's head off and hurting my ears, I'm sitting there feeling angry and frustrated inside - but I try not to show it to other people. Well, I have glared at one before, and even huffed and puffed to myself - but nothing to draw everyone's attention to me. In other words, I wouldn't start having a meltdown in the middle of a public environment, involving screaming, stamping, swearing, ect (as much as I feel like it!! !), but I wouldn't. So, in a way, my AS stays inside me.
Other ways is, for example, my eye-contact. I know that it's natural for me to look at people's eyes when making conversation or even greeting them. I don't stare into their eyes, but I do look at their eyes. I've never been afraid to do that, so that's another symptom that doesn't show. Also, I don't take every single thing literally. And I'm good with knowing and ''reading'' other people's moods, emotions, facial expressions, tone of voice, and ect. And I'm good with using all that myself too - I don't speak in monotone or I don't hold just one mood all day. If I'm pissed off about something, I will say. If I'm happy about something, I will say. So - that's another symptom what I don't have. I can show my emotions.
I can struggle with dealing with people, but I seem to get most of the social rules right. If I do show that I struggle, it's usually in the same way a really shy NT would act - so people wouldn't see there's anything wrong with me in that. They will just assume I'm a shy person. I know I'm not the best socializer in the world, and I hate going to parties, weddings, and other social events, because I don't quite know what to say to people I don't know - but once I'm in a good conversation with someone, I think I do pretty well.

So, the bit what's confusing me is the main part of AS is social skills, but mine seem pretty good for a fully-diagnosed Aspie. I don't know if it's because I'm female, or if it's because it may overlap with Dyapraxia.

Thing is - I only have 4 friends, (not including my collegues at work). I don't quite know how that is to be, since I don't do bad with social skills............ahh, forget it! My AS just seems to go round and round in circles LOL