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Surya
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10 Aug 2010, 11:58 pm

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Does anyone remember a post about people posting scans of their diagnosis? I would like to post my test results with all the names and places painted out of the jpg. 8)

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They definatly show I have memory problems. It brought my IQ score down. :x The one I took in the Army did not involve anything with memory. Oh, and I probably do not have adhd. :roll:


Thanks for posting this thread. Why I say that, is since I have been here, I have heard of the assessments and read the results that have been posted, but I have seen no actual mention of what test people have taken. Except maybe a brief mention of one or another, usually an IQ test.

But you said you had hours of test done and different ones. I recently had a PsychEd/EdPsych assessment (learning assessment) done and have taken some of the on-line test that were listed here for AS. To me, some of the testing seems very similar and point in the same direction, so to speak. Which has made me a bit more questioning of some test and results, because I have been told, that the learning assessment would not show anything near to AS or anything on the spectrum, because that was not what it was made for. Sure the test may not look the same and may not be taken the same way, but I am sure some have the same results - I hope that makes sense and is clear.

As for the IQ test and scores, I posted here -

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp2949006.html#2949006

One type of memory I suck at another type is great.. and one or two test confirmed I have ADD.

But I am curious, do you know what test you were given and what each is meant to 'prove'? Or do you only have the 'results'/outcome.

I have a 7 page report that contains all the test and the results for my learning assessment and would love to see just how close
the different testing methods actually are or not. Somewhere around here (getting ready to move) I also have a book that explains a lot of the test, from the children's test anyway.



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11 Aug 2010, 9:56 am

Horus wrote:
I think what we're looking at here is an attempt to encapsulate significant aspects of what is known as "functional IQ" into full-scale IQ. It's certainly useful to know what your specific assets and deficits are, but I think the new loading of WM and PS is both superfluous and potentially harmful to people on the spectrum.


Yep,
Just to add: as I was thinking this before , (likely) it's more of a philosophical circumscribing by the psychometric doyens , than an enhanced view of "intelligence".

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Thus, to score highly, a man must perform well at tasks deemed important by his particular society. Performance depends upon his previous mastery of vocabulary and various spatial and numerical concepts; he must demonstrate proficiency in skills emphasized by the current educational system and by prevailing custom.


"Intelligence" may be defined as the set of those abilities which most help an individual to thrive within his particular society, and a society to prosper at a given time. The criteria for assessing intelligence will thus change with the needs of the circumstance—with the demands of the culture or historical.
Likewise, the "bright" aborigine would be expected to track prey skillfully and to identify, at a glance, the footprints of diverse animals. The "jury of his peers" would not evaluate him according to such criteria as linguistic aptitude or reasoning ability—an extensive vocabulary and skill at manipulating the complex rules of logic being totally superfluous to survival in the wild.

Similarly, according to the thesis developed in Daniel Boorstein's The Discoverers, the emphasis placed on rote memorization (as a prized mental skill) has markedly decreased over the centuries. In the earliest days of civilization, before the advent of writing (or when papyri were very few in number), information was imparted orally and seldom, if ever, recorded in permanent (written) form; thus ancient scholars, being the sole keepers of knowledge in an era when few documents existed as reference sources, were by necessity men of prodigious retentive powers—capable of remembering even the most disjointed facts which had been told to them just once. With time, documents decreased in size from unwieldy scrolls to easily handled manuscripts, easier to both inscribe and read; written information became somewhat more accessible and the importance of rote memorization correspondingly lessened. The eventual invention of the printing press, permitting wide dissemination of books in large quantifies, allowed the emphasis on memory to decrease even further, readily available books, containing the needed information in a permanently recorded form, could be consulted by anyone whenever a fact was forgotten. Scholars in this later era—when the rules of logic had been systematized, intricate tools for investigating the environment had been designed, and written information was easily accessible—were men with a gift for analytical thinking and experimentation, not for rote recall; reasoning power supplanted memory as the main criterion by which higher intelligence was judged.

Thus, the mental abilities deserving emphasis—the criteria for assessing intelligence—may change with the times; men of extreme but one sided talent, deemed "brilliant" in one era, might be considered unremarkable in another. In evaluating intelligence, we measure how well an individual has assimilated the knowledge valued by his culture, how well he has learned to reason in conformity with the current styles of thinking, and how well he can adapt (on a cognitive level) to the conventions of his time. The particular knowledge and mental skills valued by a given society, extensively taught in school and used frequently in practical daily affairs, are indispensable to academic or professional success and should be mastered quickly and in depth by any ''bright," receptive individual.

Having seen that "intelligence," as that set of mental abilities most prized by a particular culture, may change in meaning with the times.



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11 Aug 2010, 5:50 pm

Mdyar wrote:
Horus wrote:
I think what we're looking at here is an attempt to encapsulate significant aspects of what is known as "functional IQ" into full-scale IQ. It's certainly useful to know what your specific assets and deficits are, but I think the new loading of WM and PS is both superfluous and potentially harmful to people on the spectrum.


Yep,
Just to add: as I was thinking this before , (likely) it's more of a philosophical circumscribing by the psychometric doyens , than an enhanced view of "intelligence".

Quote:
Thus, to score highly, a man must perform well at tasks deemed important by his particular society. Performance depends upon his previous mastery of vocabulary and various spatial and numerical concepts; he must demonstrate proficiency in skills emphasized by the current educational system and by prevailing custom.

Having seen that "intelligence," as that set of mental abilities most prized by a particular culture, may change in meaning with the times.


Mdyar, where did this come from?
Off Topic - Couldn't help but notice your location, INTJ is one of the arrows that pointed me here..



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11 Aug 2010, 8:17 pm

Surya wrote:
Mdyar wrote:
Horus wrote:
I think what we're looking at here is an attempt to encapsulate significant aspects of what is known as "functional IQ" into full-scale IQ. It's certainly useful to know what your specific assets and deficits are, but I think the new loading of WM and PS is both superfluous and potentially harmful to people on the spectrum.


Yep,
Just to add: as I was thinking this before , (likely) it's more of a philosophical circumscribing by the psychometric doyens , than an enhanced view of "intelligence".

Quote:
Thus, to score highly, a man must perform well at tasks deemed important by his particular society. Performance depends upon his previous mastery of vocabulary and various spatial and numerical concepts; he must demonstrate proficiency in skills emphasized by the current educational system and by prevailing custom.

Having seen that "intelligence," as that set of mental abilities most prized by a particular culture, may change in meaning with the times.


Mdyar, where did this come from?
Off Topic - Couldn't help but notice your location, INTJ is one of the arrows that pointed me here..


I highlighted parts of it from here, Surya : http://www.prometheussociety.org/articl ... gface.html