Should Alex hand #wp over to those who care about it?

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07 Aug 2010, 5:45 am

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I have a hard time digesting any cooperation with Autism Speaks. It's not like WP is set out to be an activist site, BUT cooperating with them is about as bad as cooperating with Scientology. Both are cults. Both are powerful. Both are formal. Both claim to have The Truth. Both violate peoples rights.

But... through the Internet era, I have seen MANY sites/communities change or sell out. Unfortunately that is the nature of the online world.

Another nature is migration. People constantly migrate to other sites. So if Alex doesn't shape up, people are going to leave. Yea, it IS his site, but people also have the freedom to up and say enough.

So not like someone can take over this.... unless Alex thinks is a good idea and I doubt he does.

Running an online community is a pretty big responsibility. Its more than just "This is my site!"

I didn't know that Alex was cohorting with Autism Speaks, but maybe he's just trying to be unbiased by making videos etc/ interviewing people from A.S to get more than one viewpoint on the whole cure thing?

Also, migration away from WP has been happening for a few years now. Though I prefer to call it maturation; it happens to any online community as it grows and becomes popular. Groups of people start to break away and form their own communities. ZOMGaspies, Intensitysquared and Aspies Central are good examples of what I'm talking about. And no matter how many people leave WP, there will always be new members to come and replace them and change the dynamic of the community again.

I think the only way Alex will hand over WP is if you offer $$$$ for it. IIRC WP is worth about five figures.

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07 Aug 2010, 6:00 am

I didn't answer the thread question in my previous post so..........okie dokie..........here we go...........

I didn't vote because the question SEEMS to imply that Alex doesn't 'care about IT'

I have no way of knowing WHAT Alex does or does not care about, since I've never had any communication with him.

Presumably those who vote DO know what Alex does and does not care about :roll: :arrow:

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07 Aug 2010, 6:31 am

I'm trying to understand this thing that Autism Speaks does, this 'genocide'. I am unfamiliar with their mission?

If there are different camps arguing over the status, direction and treatments of people with aspergers, its probably likely that the right thing may not ever happen.... Those affected in a minority, are usually bound by the ruling majority, big pharma have a big banana?

Alex enjoys eating bananas? I like lady fingers and plantains too

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07 Aug 2010, 6:54 am

I was shocked, into a frozen state, when I found out, that the founder was posting Autism Speaks stuff. That's as far as I'm going, because I don't want to get banned.

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07 Aug 2010, 8:41 am

Asp-Z wrote:

frag wrote:

+10000 on this. If this site keeps hugging Autism Speaks, I'm off.

autism speaks in somewhat donator i think..so we are basically tripping autism speaks :lol:

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07 Aug 2010, 9:29 am

Followthereaper90 wrote:

Asp-Z wrote:

frag wrote:

+10000 on this. If this site keeps hugging Autism Speaks, I'm off.

autism speaks in somewhat donator i think..so we are basically tripping autism speaks :lol:

Could you explain that in slightly clearer English please

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07 Aug 2010, 10:18 am

To be frank with the record which autism speaks has I am very wary of the organisation, I am disgusted with some of their deeds. However, even if they were 1000 times as bad as I imagine them to be we need to maintain some lines of communication with the other side.

I think it is important to understand the difference between loving someone/something plus wanting them as you best new friend, and simply being in contact with the other side. It is important in times of serious conflict for both sides to be able to sit down and discuss important issues in a calm and mutually respectful manner. But at the same time it is important to maintain your moral compass when you are having to sit down and talk with the otherside.

Before anyone feels the urge to cast stones, I think that they should consider the question of "is Alex selling out to the dreaded autism speaks or is he just discussing with them issues which interest both them and us".

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07 Aug 2010, 10:33 am

Woodpecker wrote:

Discussion would involve him putting questions to them, the very questions the autistic community would like them to answer.

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07 Aug 2010, 10:33 am

Woodpecker wrote:

Before anyone feels the urge to cast stones, I think that they should consider the question of "is Alex selling out to the dreaded autism speaks or is he just discussing with them issues which interest both them and us".

Two things I am pretty sure about:

1) Alex is only doing whatever he believes best for people on the spectrum;
2) Nobody else could do even as well in his place.

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07 Aug 2010, 10:49 am

K, I don't know exactly how far the cooperation goes. Does anyone?

About the channel itself, it always lived a life separated from the forums. Go there and you'll get a quick idea forum and chat are very different. An IRC channel is different than a web page, it does happen they change owners and the ownership is somewhat more loose compared to a webpage. Despite this, I really doubt Alex would let it go. But IRC is free, if you ever get tired of someones channel, you can always make your own.

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07 Aug 2010, 11:19 am

I was shocked, into a frozen state, when I found out, that the founder was posting Autism Speaks stuff. That's as far as I'm going, because I don't want to get banned.

yes i stole this but hey i was thinking the same thing :wink:

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07 Aug 2010, 11:32 am

I just feel lucky, that there is a WrongPlanet, for me to come to. Before WP, in 2003 I was almost ready to reconect, with my local Mental Health team.

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07 Aug 2010, 11:48 am

MONIQUEIJ wrote:

I was shocked, into a frozen state, when I found out, that the founder was posting Autism Speaks stuff. That's as far as I'm going, because I don't want to get banned.

You might or might not get all questions answered, but you will not be banned for asking why Alex or anyone else might be doing anything. The bannable offense some people make is that of outright personal attack.

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07 Aug 2010, 12:05 pm

Blindspot149 wrote:

Followthereaper90 wrote:

Asp-Z wrote:

frag wrote:

+10000 on this. If this site keeps hugging Autism Speaks, I'm off.

autism speaks in somewhat donator i think..so we are basically tripping autism speaks :lol:

Could you explain that in slightly clearer English please

this site need funting so why not rip off autism speaks?

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07 Aug 2010, 12:10 pm

Those worried about speaking out really don't need to. As long as everyone follows the terms of service, there is no risk of being banned or even edited. The moderators believe in believe in free speech to the maximum extent allowed by the TOS. Seriously. I strongly believe that this is your community, even if it is Alex's site, and you should say what you want just as long as you stay clear of outright slandering him (as I would want you to stay clear of slandering anyone). I, personally, think it is important to know how the membership feels about the things going on, and for the owner to get a sense of what the membership is perceiving (not that he has to listen). And ... that is probably the limits of what I should say on any of this.

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07 Aug 2010, 12:43 pm

What does being founder of an IRC channel have to do with his little TV show being funded by autism speaks?

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