People with autism and conspiracy theorys ?

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13 Aug 2010, 6:12 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
conspiracy theories are made under the assumption that they're all just mindless robots. People will only cooperate as far as it benefits them.


That is just not so, and even your own statement shows otherwise: Mindless robots would not be able to discern whether anyone at all would benefit!

And again: Conspiracy theories are not even made at all! That term only ever comes out of the mouths of people rightly or wrongly scoffing at the speculations, reports and/or conclusions of others!


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13 Aug 2010, 6:54 pm

You're taking everything out of context. By "mindless robots", I meant blindly following someone's commands without considering how it would benefit you. And as for conspiracy theories being "made", well I don't know what your point is. That's just semantics.

Yes, what one person calls a conspiracy theory is what another person calls the truth, but you're implying I blindly label them as conspiracy theories. They are based on ridiculous assumptions and are implausible, which is why I label em as conspiracy theories. I don't just see that they're different and slap a label on em.



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13 Aug 2010, 6:57 pm

Conspiracy theories tend to appeal to those with mental illnesses like schizophrenia. I'd have thought that Aspies, being mostly logical beings, would be less likely to believe in wild theories.


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13 Aug 2010, 6:59 pm

KaiG wrote:
Conspiracy theories tend to appeal to those with mental illnesses like schizophrenia. I'd have thought that Aspies, being mostly logical beings, would be less likely to believe in wild theories.
Yeah but arguments that are for conspiracy theories can be logically correct. It gets complicated when you challenge the underlying assumptions behind that logic, which took a lifetime to develop. You gotta also read between the lines of logic.



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13 Aug 2010, 10:25 pm

leejosepho wrote:
Celoneth wrote:
Plenty of people, regardless of neurology, believe irrational things or things without evidentiary support.


... and possibly just as many believe things are irrational simply because they cannot be proved beyond all doubt.

In my own case, I believe my obsession with investigation -- "More input! More input!" ("Short Circuit") -- and my attention to detail help make it possible to nevertheless discern facts even when other people do call me a "nut".

Things that cannot be proved beyond all doubt would likely be irrational as well.

I think.. to some extent.. one person's conspiracy theory is another person's valid theory.. depending on the level of disagreement.. but there are some that are just way out there... I heard one where the entire world is a giant battle between the Queen of England and the Pope and everyone is either allied with one side or another.. quite a literal conspiracy theory :P



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13 Aug 2010, 10:36 pm

"Conspiracy theory" is a loaded term. The stigma attached to it implies that the theory is false by default.

We Aspies are supposedly, in general, highly logical in our thinking. I should hope that means we wouldn't be so quick to trash a theory sight-unseen just because it is labelled as "conspiracy."

I happen to like conspiracy websites as a form of free entertainment. And yes most of the "theories" you will find on such websites are obviously bunk, sometimes you can find something that will make you ponder, research, and come to your own conclusions. It's good entertainment and good exercise for your mind.


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13 Aug 2010, 10:58 pm

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"Conspiracy theory" is a loaded term. The stigma attached to it implies that the theory is false by default.

We Aspies are supposedly, in general, highly logical in our thinking. I should hope that means we wouldn't be so quick to trash a theory sight-unseen just because it is labelled as "conspiracy."

I happen to like conspiracy websites as a form of free entertainment. And yes most of the "theories" you will find on such websites are obviously bunk, sometimes you can find something that will make you ponder, research, and come to your own conclusions. It's good entertainment and good exercise for your mind.
Yes there are some conspiracy theories that turn out to be true (such as MK-ULTRA), but the majority of them are just ridiculous. And yes, the word conspiracy theory has negative connotations, but I'm not much of a semantics guy. If I am dead certain that something is completely stupid, then I'm not gonna be politically correct about it.

So many people say "Well we're logical so we should be above x". The logic itself might have rules, but the premises and underlying assumptions behind it are more subjective...



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14 Aug 2010, 12:46 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
druidsbird wrote:
"Conspiracy theory" is a loaded term. The stigma attached to it implies that the theory is false by default.

We Aspies are supposedly, in general, highly logical in our thinking. I should hope that means we wouldn't be so quick to trash a theory sight-unseen just because it is labelled as "conspiracy."

I happen to like conspiracy websites as a form of free entertainment. And yes most of the "theories" you will find on such websites are obviously bunk, sometimes you can find something that will make you ponder, research, and come to your own conclusions. It's good entertainment and good exercise for your mind.
Yes there are some conspiracy theories that turn out to be true (such as MK-ULTRA), but the majority of them are just ridiculous. And yes, the word conspiracy theory has negative connotations, but I'm not much of a semantics guy. If I am dead certain that something is completely stupid, then I'm not gonna be politically correct about it.

So many people say "Well we're logical so we should be above x". The logic itself might have rules, but the premises and underlying assumptions behind it are more subjective...


Actually I just found this interesting article about the Bermuda Triangle, which ideally exemplifies what happens when logical thought is applied to "crazy theories." Enjoy. :)


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14 Aug 2010, 1:01 am

Hhhmmmm good answers yes yes

Personally I only get my information from secure sources like CNN and Fox

It must be awful for people like George Bush to have horrible lies spoken about them.

Just awful.



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14 Aug 2010, 1:27 am

Schizotypal has a strong correlation to the autistic spectrum, so this is not a valid argument why Aspies will not be prone to like / construct conspiracy theories. Also, the argument that Aspies are so logical is mostly a myth and this is because many need to learn NT behavior with logic. That we are naturally more logical than emotional is another issue, and I don't think this is a general tendency, quite the opposite.



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14 Aug 2010, 5:35 am

I don't think many Aspies believe in conspiracy theories. We tend to be logical, down to earth beings. I was watching Anderson Cooper and he was interviewing a Scientologist. The Scientologist said that psychiatrists are responsible for 9/11 and the Holocaust, and have been ruining the world for millions of years or something... I thought I was going to go into cardiac arrest it was so funny. I do believe in extra-terrestrial activity though, as there has been too much 'UFO' activity to outright deny extra-terrestrial beings, and UFO activity is scientifically explainable, unlike something like 'ghost' phenomenons.



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14 Aug 2010, 12:24 pm

I like conspiracy theories, I'm not schizophrenic or anything, I've never even had a psychotic episode. But the the specific interests come and go. Currently, I'm starting to believe that this Julian Assange guy isn't who he says he is.

I don't think it's fair to say schizophrenics like conspiracy more than any other people. Most of their "theories" stem from delusions, and idea's of reference or voices. Most of them are theories that are unique to the person telling them, and not the main stream conspiracy theories you might hear from the internet. They might borrow from the mainstream ideas, but they've somehow become the center of it. That is the hallmark difference between skeptical and nutty.



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14 Aug 2010, 1:32 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
You're taking everything out of context.


I understand why certain things I say might make it seem I am doing that, but what I am actually doing is simply dissecting things said ... and I do that even if/when so only I might be able to make some overall sense of them.

AceOfSpades wrote:
By "mindless robots", I meant blindly following someone's commands without considering how it would benefit you.


And I would again say the same as before: Mindless robots would not be able to discern whether anyone at all would benefit! Hence, your statement that "conspiracy theories are made under the assumption [people are] all just mindless robots ... only [cooperating] as far as it benefits them." makes no sense.

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And as for conspiracy theories being "made", well I don't know what your point is.


The point there is this: I have recently had various people come to my door unexpectedly, and each has come in some kind of professional capacity ... and I presently happen to be applying for retirement and disability benefits from the SSA. One of those visits I have had makes no sense other than being seen as someone checking my residential status prior to giving me a food allowance from a different office, yet the person who came said nothing about that and only had census-related ID, paperwork and questions identical to those of someone else well over a month ago. So overall, I might or could (but do not) now tell you or anyone else I suspect people are checking up on me in secretive ways and that everyone else should be watching out too ...

... and in doing so, I would *not* be making a "conspiracy theory" even though you or anyone else might for any reason label my suspicion in just that way.

AceOfSpades wrote:
Yes, what one person calls a conspiracy theory is what another person calls the truth, but you're implying I blindly label them as conspiracy theories ...
I don't just see that they're different and slap a label on em.


... but not blindly, eh?!

Whew.


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