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19 Sep 2010, 2:03 am

DandelionFireworks wrote:
You know, a panic attack isn't some physical symptom your body experiences without you. By definition it's an emotional experience. (Also, they can be caused by adrenal insufficiency and not fit Callista's description.) I mean, you'd probably know if you were having them; you wouldn't have to go "well, I have shortness of breath... maybe..."


Exactly. This is just another case of a person's opinion being considered more credible than that of another, simply because they went through medical school and mindlessly repeated back to their educators a bunch of words which they read in a book, written by someone else who had merely gone through the same motions, and after having "parroted" back the contents of enough books they were given a qualification which states that they "know better" than others, regardless of whether or not they actually understood a single concept which was presented in the books they were told to mimic.

The opinion of a "doctor" is not factual just because they're "qualified". See another doctor.



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19 Sep 2010, 5:40 am

Night_Owl_Amber wrote:
I've been having trouble breathing lately, having to take deep breaths a lot of the time and not feeling like I'm ''properly catching my breath'', it was becoming a real pain so I went to see my Doctor about it the other day and she seems to think I could be having the start of panic attacks. I have no idea what could be making this happen. It must be an anxiety thing but I cant think of nothing thats making me anxious :?
Does anyone here suffer from panic attacks?


I used to suffer really badly from panic attacks and that's how I felt. I always felt like that I was not breathing properly or that somehow my heart was pumping too much blood (as if that were even possible). I remember being really paranoid that I was ill all the time and I remember developing little phobias, but they;d be really non-sensical, now that I think of it. Thing like worrying that people are going to knife me or my loved ones or having a heart attack in my sleep or something like that. However, when it all began, I really didn't know what was causing it. I now think that it had to do with all the changes that were happening in my life at the time. I did actually have panic attacks prior to that but not as frequent and not as severe and usually with reason. This went on for several years. I got therapy and I was given beta blockers for it. I do admit that even now, I still get anxious and still feel like I'm breathless for no reason, but I don't get full blown panic attacks like I used to and that's probably because I recognise the symptoms and have been taught to recognise that the feeling will pass. It takes a while to learn.

I would still ask the doctor to do a check up just incase, but if they think it's anxiety, then I would see about getting a proper diagnosis and therapy if you can.

To DandelionFireworks: A lot of people with panic disorder don't know that they are having panic attacks. They often think they're physically ill. At first, I thought I was dying and I refused to believe that it was anxiety because I couldn't put a finger on what the main source of anxiety was. Again, I now think it's something to do with all the changes that where happening when I developed the anxiety disorder. At the time it was all just a blur.

To Invader: First of all, doctors work their butts off to save people's lives. Second, don't assume that you know anything about how hard a person has to work to become a doctor or what it takes to become a doctor. Clearly, you don't understand how the medical/scientific community even works. If they were just "mindlessly parroting" the same materials all the time, we'd still be using blood letting and treating epilepsy by drilling holes in people's heads. Third of all, shortness of breath (or at least the feeling) IS a symptom of panic attacks. I really don't know where you got your info from.



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19 Sep 2010, 5:41 am

Callista wrote:
Shortness of breath is a symptom of panic attacks, yeah, but there are more symptoms, and other things that could explain it. Did your doctor do a full physical? There's always the possibility of your having developed asthma; that's quite a common problem and the doctor should have checked for it.

Panic attacks, though, work like this: You're relatively sensitive to your own body's signals, but you're not too good at interpreting them. Something small happens, and your heart beats faster or your breathing speeds up or something. You focus on the symptom; and when you focus on it, it gets more obvious. So you're getting worried that something's wrong with you. At this point most people would figure out that nothing was actually wrong and go, "False alarm," and forget it. But for people with panic attacks, the adrenaline starts going, and worsens those physical symptoms to the point that you are really alarmed that something is very wrong; and it's a feedback cycle: Some small trigger (one trigger they use in tests is simply hyperventilating) creates minor anxiety; the minor anxiety creates more of the symptom; the symptom creates more anxiety, etc. And shortness of breath is one such symptom. It's kind of a misfiring of the body's natural "response to threat" system--instead of it firing when you need it, it randomly fires when some small stimulus gets it going.

If that's the problem, then there are ways to handle it; but physical causes do have to be ruled out. If you turn out to have asthma or something and your doctor treats for panic attacks, the treatment isn't going to work!


Sorry for the double post, but you've explained it better than I ever could.